Zurvan EX - Warriors

[Voltres]

So, I started this new account last november and decided to main Warrior, since I never tanked in FFXIV before. Farmed all the birds, except for Zurvan's one, so today I decided to try it, since I had the day off.

I managed to clear it and got 9 totems in the first farm party of the day. I thought it was going to be easy, but then for the whole day, I couldn't get another single totem.

After so many parties, I can tell that a lot of people are having trouble with this , even in the so called farm parties. Most PF states that they want to skip SOAR, being very salty when we don't do it, and just ragequits after one failed attempt. To make things even worse, I'm seeing a new trend of people not wanting Warriors, because we are not able to cheese the Claw mechanic, because Holmgang lasts just 6 seconds and is not enough time, counting from start of the stun to the actual boss damage.

Is there any chance the devs. will tune this fight? Seems very badly designed imo. Has this happened before?

Thanks all.

Obs: I just had a very bad experience with one party. Did everything correctly, no mistakes, good damage as a Warrior, but the party could not Skip the first SOAR. We nabaged to get to the second one anyway, I used the tank LB since in the first one they didn't go too well and managed to save a couple people. Then got hit by Claw and died because no one soaked it. Then the first comment is from a MNK "Can we not have a Warrior?". This kind of stuff just turns me away from the game.

[Paladinleeds]

For almost all of Alexander Savage this has been the Paladin situation. Because of the fact it's mostly magical damage the paladin has always been considered inferior.

[Gokuhan]

Is there any chance the devs. will tune this fight? Seems very badly designed imo.

It has nothing to do with the fight being badly designed, it has to do with way too much of the player base being bad and not wanting to take the time and effort to get better.

Soar isn't a hard mechanic if you just look up a diagram and know what to do, but farm groups insist on skipping the first Soar because if they don't, people will probably die. This is also why almost everyone needs to tank LB second Soar.

It's the same reason people prefer non-WAR tanks, because without an off tank or a BLM to use their physical shield then the first person to help soak up Claw will die.

[Voltres]

It has nothing to do with the fight being badly designed, it has to do with way too much of the player base being bad and not wanting to take the time and effort to get better.

Soar isn't a hard mechanic if you just look up a diagram and know what to do, but farm groups insist on skipping the first Soar because if they don't, people will probably die. This is also why almost everyone needs to tank LB second Soar.

It's the same reason people prefer non-WAR tanks, because without an off tank or a BLM to use their physical shield then the first person to help soak up Claw will die.

Yes, I agree partially with you, but the bad design I was mentioning is that the devs. did not realize that the playerbase was going to go this way. They just want to cheese the whole fight and now Warriors are starting to get excluded because we cannot cheese the claw mechanic which is very simple, with like 10-15 seconds to prepare for it's damage.

[thegreatonemal]

the fight isn't badly designed just everyone trying to cheese the mechanics from day one because people who are geared for it said so so everyone follows suit. just blame your fellow players for going along with it and keep trying. All fights have mechanics that can be skipped with high dps its a way to rewards parties that do that kind of damage

[bounddreamer]

Warrior main here. Cleared the fight with my static as a DRG because that was how we expected to farm it. Ended up farming it as off healer and our off healer went in as MNK. To this day I haven't cleared Zurvan as a warrior, though I've farmed it as DRG, AST, WHM, and DRK. Most groups don't want to double tank it, and if you're solo tanking, most groups don't want that tank to be a warrior.

The few groups I did clear/farm with a warrior (and me healing) were actually some of the best groups, nailing mechanics consistently.

The player base meta on this fight is very anti Warrior for quick cheesy farm purposes. /shrug We're really well positioned in raiding endgame aside from this one primal.

[Voltres]

Warrior main here. Cleared the fight with my static as a DRG because that was how we expected to farm it. Ended up farming it as off healer and our off healer went in as MNK. To this day I haven't cleared Zurvan as a warrior, though I've farmed it as DRG, AST, WHM, and DRK. Most groups don't want to double tank it, and if you're solo tanking, most groups don't want that tank to be a warrior.

The few groups I did clear/farm with a warrior (and me healing) were actually some of the best groups, nailing mechanics consistently.

The player base meta on this fight is very anti Warrior for quick cheesy farm purposes. /shrug We're really well positioned in raiding endgame aside from this one primal.

I do think Warrior is the best tank for Zurvan EX, but it requires people to know what they are doing, but it's just not the case as people still fail on Southern Cross across the farm parties. Thanks for your comment.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

the fight isn't badly designed just everyone trying to cheese the mechanics from day one because people who are geared for it said so so everyone follows suit. just blame your fellow players for going along with it and keep trying. All fights have mechanics that can be skipped with high dps its a way to rewards parties that do that kind of damage

Why should we fault the playerbase though? Of all the EX Primals throughout Heavensward, Zurvan is by far the easiest to exploit. The only real requirement to skip Soar is knowing how to execute a proper opener. Frankly speaking, you have no business attempting EX Primals if you can't do that, and certainly not in farm parties. Adding to the problem, there is literally no reason to bring a second tank. At no point in the fight are swaps necessary and despite how hard the Wills hit, there isn't any additional outgoing damage. Thus, two healers have only one person to heal. Hardly a difficult task. People farming content aim for efficiency because they'll likely be repeating the fight several times. Had the first Soar not been skipable and there was an actual need for two tanks, we wouldn't have this issue.

[Voltres]

I wish the claw was not cheesable and would give a debuff to the MT, so another tank would be required. This would stop most of the cheese going on. There can be many other alternatives, but the current state of the fight is just not good.

[Dreggit]

I have felt this way in Alex Savage as pally. Que in rf and load in, get kicked for being pally. Join a pf, get kicked for being pally. I'm super turned off from doing Alex savage because of it. I'm il255, it's ridiculous I feel but what can I do? So I've focused on other content