STOP ask for exclusive things to obtained in other way

[ffchampion]

i completely disagree. due to the lack of time i get to play, it meant i could either a) spend all my time for every season only doing pvp or b) actually make progression in the game.

I don't have time to do both so there is physically no way i can get these mounts. look at the matches played. some people played 250 matches. thats 33 hours worth of doing PvP alone!

[Llus]

I 100% agree with this, my contribution to the discussion was:

Lets not talk about removing rewards because that is bad practice instead lets talk about:

- Asking the devs for a decay system
- Asking the devs for a more robust reporting system and moderation
- Asking the devs for the restriction that only one character per account per datacenter is allowed to be ranked
- Asking the devs for a token system so that mounts from previous seasons can be obtained in future seasons if you don't like that seasons rewards (promotes the idea that the reward can always be obtained while still keeping the reward as a PVP ranked prize)

I was prompty ignored amongst people saying "I hate PVP" while also demanding the rewards. Yes the ranking system is broken but lets demand the devs fix it rather than demand the rewards because even mentioning the rewards, or any other request is illogical and frankly entitled.




For the record, rank egoism doesn't exist in this context because the rewards are confined within the PVP bubble where their intended purpose is to promote competition. Hell, saying something like "it's egoism" is just an excuse for being entitled, you haven't earned those rewards, nor do you need those rewards. Nobody is rubbing their rewards in your face just by having them, they are just a trophy that has been earned, and whether it is timed or not those that earned them deserve them, and those that didn't do not. Not to say that PVP doesn't have problems (as outlined above), but your use of the term egoism is horribly misplaced.

- Asking the devs for a decay system - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for a more robust reporting system and moderation - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for the restriction that only one character per account per datacenter is allowed to be ranked - asked for & ignored
- Asking the devs for a token system - asked for & ignored

The biggest problem here is SE ignoring win traders, ignoring speed hackers and ignoring the PvP community in favor of minion collectors and people who want to ignore chat and ignore the rules. As it appears that SE does nothing about cheaters in LP or solo and has basically said "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" by introducing a new kit that effectively turns you into a speed hacker; perhaps everyone should do exactly what SE suggests. Have fun in future seasons of feast.

[Lambdafish]

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I think the problem I have is that I am ignored by the devs and the community. If PVPers push harder (like this thread) to keep rewards in place but improve systems, then the devs will listen. Remember the outcrys for weeping city to get nerfed? remember the public outcry of threads countering these to keep the difficulty as is? That was a good victory for the midcore community.

I don't have time to do both so there is physically no way i can get these mounts. look at the matches played. some people played 250 matches. thats 33 hours worth of doing PvP alone!

That is the expectation. Your personal life isn't really an argument against feasability. Raiding is a massive time investment but we shouldn't take rewards away from that (and no, unsync isn't an answer because these PVP rewards will likely have a similar system in 4.0)

[Awful]

I'm sorry but when SE decides that PvPers are worth their time, meaning that SE will ACTUALLY punish win traders and hackers then maybe i'll agree that people should put time and effort in. This arguments one sided as people are win trading at "dead server times" and the worst part is the people who are win trading, all they have to say is "hey i'm teaching this person how to PvP!" and it won't be investigated whatsoever.

I have a friend who plays during the late hours of Primal where there are some teams queing up, and there's just people fishing for ques and then instantly decline a ranked pvp match. If you did this in WoW or any other arena based PvP MMO you would lose rating indicating it would be a loss I'm appalled that SE hasn't even bothered caring about ranked PvP yet you have people who say "hey just try harder and you'll get the rewards". So it's okay for these win traders and hackers to get the exclusive 1 time only mount? It's okay for a blm to cast 5 Fire IVs on my whm in under 1 second on each cast and there's no way to heal it?

I've stopped trying to push rating after season 2 because of it and it's no surprise that the same problems haven't been resolved it's a joke on the already dying LP PvP people who actually want to try and win rather than the people who win trade on a daily basis. I just play Shatter/Seize and Feast with my friends now as i've lost the drive and willpower due to LP PvP it really friggen sucks I wish SE would actually care instead of giving out rewards without any evidence at all.

[NessaWyvern]

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Pretty much the same as you, I got sick of hackers and wintraders, and I just do 8v8 feast with friends, and frontlines now. I was just about to have an aneurysm when I was doing rated pvp back in season 1. It sucks when you're in the top 10, and go on a losing streak from hackers.

[Alleo]

The problem with the pvp season mounts is that they are time exclusive and have a limited amount available. If anyone could get them that just reached a certain rank per season that it would not be much of a problem because it would still be time restricted but anyone that puts their time into it can get it. With the system now you can put in all the work and still get nothing because its also only available for a small amount of players. And if there are even cheaters in this that are not punished..well even less of a chance.

How I would find it nice:

- Give them to the top xx players but at the same time make them a achivement. Not something like "win x amounts of feast matches" but more like "win x amounts matches in a season for xx amount of seasons". This would mean that top players still get their price after one season but every other one can take the longer way and grind for it. This would still make it quite rare since you need some dedictation to win and it would need more than one season. This makes the PVP also longer alive since people need to play in the seasons yet anyone can say that they leave one out and try it next one or something.

-Give top players the price and anyone that gets to a certain rank will get a coin per season; with that coin you can trades things, one of them is the mount. You could also say that you need four coins per mount which means that someone has to play and rank four seasons to get one mount. So if I want all four mounts I would need to play 8 seasons as solo and a group and get a certain rank..I am quite sure that this would take quite the work and time but people would at least get a realistic chance to own them someday and people who earned them in season 3 and 4 have enough time to show them off.

My problem is that some people on this forum even said that they went into this with their alt character to place another one high, yet this means that anyone that is not top pvp wont stand a chance and on top of that since next season the mounts will be with a different color the same people will go at it again. I dont want to take away the mounts from them and I am quite sure that anyone that puts in their time legally have earned it. I just dont like the idea that somehow we cant get new glamour and other things because its expensive and yet at the same time somehow its completely fine to create four mounts that are owned by only a small amount of people. With the changes I wrote, you would still have these people with their mounts for quite the time and at the same time more can earn it later. Something like this would even motivate me enough to farm PVP but with the situation right now..you barely even stand a chance if you do something else than pvp or are not perfect pvp player. (Or just bad luck if you do it solo)

[Blackcanary]

Given we all pay the same sub I do think we should all have access to items added as in-game content so I don't like the idea of items that only a very small number of people can get (or time limited ones to that matter).

I'm sorry but i really don't understand why you should care if you can't get a mount that other people have which you can't or don't have. If you didn't put the time or effort to get it that's ur fault really.

Everyone should not all have the same mounts if that happened there will be no individuality in this game. Some things should stay exclusive in my opinion. If you really want that time exclusive mount put the work in and get it.

[Zojha]

If you really want that time exclusive mount put the work in and get it.

And when 100 other people on your data center do the same and just happen to be born with a better skill endowment, that doesn't matter because you still go home empty-handed.

That's the fun of competition: "Anyone" can be a winner, but not "Everyone". Goes for real life as well - We only have so many resources on earth, so if the first world countries use the majority of those, the rest will have to make do with what's left and have a living standard to match. Not everyone can be rich, in order for rich people to exist others have to be poor. "Hard work" at best can increase your own share, but it can't increase the amount of resources - you have to take those from someone else.

[Lambdafish]

Because my sub fee is being used to subsidise a fringe group of players, a lot of players in this game seem to want the rest of the player base to support there ego trip.

My taxes pay for people who are seriously ill even though I've not been seriously ill in my life, but screw free healthcare right?

Your sub pays for a wide variety of content for different players, some like competitive play, some like raiding, some like housing, some like crafting, some like gathering, some like gold saucer and some even like messing around in zones with glams, hairstyles, emotes and the group cam feature. Not everyone will like all of these things (in fact I know very few that participate in them all regularly), so maybe get your head out of your rear end and realise that maybe its you that is having the ego trip.

[Rinari]

Playing devil's advocate:

Why should players be required to store extra game assets that they'll never be able to use in the form of missed time exclusives? That consumes bandwidth (from SE's slow patch servers), hard drive space, RAM when another player uses it in the area, and depending on the form of asset, extra CPU and GPU time to render. We should have the option to disable timed exclusive assets that we no do not ourselves have access to! This feature would replace those assets on our clients with comparable assets. Exclusive mounts become chocobos. Exclusive minions become wind-up airship. Exclusive outfits become starter outfits.

I wouldn't actually want this, but I play on a PC that doesn't break a sweat with FFXIV. It actually would be a useful feature on PS3/4 where the memory budgets are tighter.