STOP ask for exclusive things to obtained in other way

[jameseoakes]

Zilch: A mount for every primal, weapons for every primal, new gear every patch (as opposed to the 2-3 patch gaps between PvP gear), new items to spend currency on (see the gear comment), new "maps" (dungeons, special content, raids, etc.), ANNUAL special events, side quests, and frequent, timely content support and updates. . .

. . . And that's just battle content.

Don't you dare say you get "zilch". PvPers and PvP content barely get anything but scorn, avoidance and barebones support from both the players and SE themselves. And now that they're FINALLY getting something nice for once, you're getting "zilch"? Don't even.

PVP probably has had the most rewards of any single bit of content in Heavansward (I think it's now on 3 full gears sets, 3 glamour sets, 9 mounts (counting season 4 rewards) and 6 minions, that's hardly Zilch

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

PVP probably has had the most rewards of any single bit of content in Heavansward (I think it's now on 3 full gears sets, 3 glamour sets, 9 mounts (counting season 4 rewards) and 6 minions, that's hardly Zilch

Are we really going to try to play tit for tat here? 3.5 and the Garo event brought a lot of stuff, yes, but if we're talking Heavensward alone:


PvP Gear (Max): i180 in 3.05, i205 in 3.25, now i235 in Patch 3.5
PvE Gear (Max): i210/215 in 3.05, i240/245 in 3.25, now i270/275 in 3.5. . . with plenty of dungeon, raid, alliance raid, and crafted gear filling the gaps between 210 and 270 in every major patch. Let me also point out the lack of anything for PvP between 3.25 and 3.5.

PvP Mounts: NOT including the GC Warsteeds or the original black ADS - All from ARR - there's the Gloria mount from the Feast, the White ADS from Shatter, the Season 3 Hellhounds, and now 3 Garo mounts. 3.25, 3.3, now 3.5; when you consider that many of these are achievement based rewards from content many people simply choose not to do, it's no surprise they remain somewhat "exclusive", the Garo mounts being the exception as they were made easy enough to get within a day. 11 mounts total.
PvE Mounts: All 7 Primal mounts, all 3 Gold Saucer mounts, the Griffin, the Manacutter, Midgardsormr, the Black Chocobo, the Asterope, the Pegasus, the 2 PotD mounts, both Alexander Savage mounts, all 3 beast tribe mounts, and the Firebird. . . This does NOT include Mogstation, special event, Recruit-A-Friend, and region exclusive mounts for a total of 24.

Should I even get into Minions? Orchestrion Rolls? Materia? PvP definitely does NOT have the most rewards of anything in Heavensward, and what we do have must be worked for. The issue lies in people not wanting to work for them, yet crying foul that they don't get 2 out of a possible 11 PvP mounts (again, Heavensward only) despite the 24 they can get without even thinking about PvP. But yeah, everyone else gets "zilch" right?

[LadyKairi]

I mean, to be fair, PVP-ers get an equal shot at items us PVE-ers (raiders) get. I mean as shown with coil savage, our savage raids will be available to unsync once rendered obsolete/old content. The hard work people put into those raids while it was still current don't get to keep their exclusivity. If raiders don't get to keep their cake, why should pvpers? You get to enjoy it by yourself for a short period, but then you get forced to share, like the rest of us.

(I'm not complaining, just making a point. Er...trying to.)

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Its suppose to be a game not a damn work station lol
Hellluuuuuu

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I mean, to be fair, PVP-ers get an equal shot at items us PVE-ers (raiders) get. I mean as shown with coil savage, our savage raids will be available to unsync once rendered obsolete/old content. The hard work people put into those raids while it was still current don't get to keep their exclusivity. If raiders don't get to keep their cake, why should pvpers? You get to enjoy it by yourself for a short period, but then you get forced to share, like the rest of us.

(I'm not complaining, just making a point. Er...trying to.)

The flaw in the point there is that raids are not a competition by nature. Whether you're world first or the very last group on your server to clear A12S for example, you still get loot. Within that, a 1 in 8 chance to get the mount, AND it's repeatable (even if only a weekly chance currently). Feast rewards are rewards given for more than 3 months of competing and working for it. This isn't saying raids don't require work, but this is saying the two are hard to compare since one is a competition and one is not. And while it's true there are those who would cheat their way to these rewards, that's hardly a reason to punish legit competitors or diminish the rewards they compete so hard for.

Furthermore, it's simply the nature of the game itself that even the best gear at one point becomes eclipsed and easy to get, purely through time and increasing new gear levels. This as well doesn't diminish the rewards raiders work so hard for, but I'm certain most raiders who enjoy raiding would already have their sights set on their next reward/goal already by then.

[Vespar]

I mean, to be fair, PVP-ers get an equal shot at items us PVE-ers (raiders) get. I mean as shown with coil savage, our savage raids will be available to unsync once rendered obsolete/old content. The hard work people put into those raids while it was still current don't get to keep their exclusivity. If raiders don't get to keep their cake, why should pvpers? You get to enjoy it by yourself for a short period, but then you get forced to share, like the rest of us.

(I'm not complaining, just making a point. Er...trying to.)

This is the exact same comment I made on the facebook post SE left us.
I dont like the idea of PvP-ers having mounts and minions tied to PvP. I feel that bragging rights, the lodestone ranking, a title and/or some kind of armor or weapon is a more justified reward for PvP content. Hell give them their own housing trophy for all I care!
What really isn't kosher with me is locking rewards to a tier of elite or lucky players within that content. Once that content becomes obsolete, it should become available to all players, either in another way, or in a reduced difficulty option like the rest of the PvE/PvP(non-feast) content.

[Exira]

I mean, to be fair, PVP-ers get an equal shot at items us PVE-ers (raiders) get. I mean as shown with coil savage, our savage raids will be available to unsync once rendered obsolete/old content. The hard work people put into those raids while it was still current don't get to keep their exclusivity. If raiders don't get to keep their cake, why should pvpers? You get to enjoy it by yourself for a short period, but then you get forced to share, like the rest of us.

(I'm not complaining, just making a point. Er...trying to.)

What if the system start change from now on for both pvp and pve

[Alynn]

What if the system start change from now on for both pvp and pve

What? Lmao. How about you go read what the thread was actually about? If I don't clear a savage raid with the top 30 teams then I don't deserve XX?

[RosaLunaCelestia]

I wish i had one but i don't care. There are always mounts i want get but i finish with my chocobo lol

[Exira]

What? Lmao. How about you go read what the thread was actually about? If I don't clear a savage raid with the top 30 teams then I don't deserve XX?

No i don't mean be top 30 or something but for example if u didnt get Yokai mount u cant get it anymore now and that is pve content