STOP ask for exclusive things to obtained in other way

[Istaru]

No i don't mean be top 30 or something but for example if u didnt get Yokai mount u cant get it anymore now and that is pve content

It you are going to compare it with Yokai, then more appropriate may be like a his:

Be one of the top first 4 people on your server to complete all the tasks. The NPC for a the event only has 4 keys to give out. Once he has given out the 4 keys, there are no more.

That would be more equivalent on than what you said.

None of the PVE exclusives required any skills. Only time. The PVP is unique in that it requires both, but the skills and some luck are the biggest part.

[Exira]

Again you're ignoring the reason why that thread was created, saying everyone had a chance to obtain it is the same as saying everyone had a chance to exploit the system, be it trading wins, taking advantage of the lack of rank decay or that cast speed exploit (funny the guy linked here got into the top 100)

You should go back and actually read the thread instead of rushing to make a separate thread for the same topic.

So since i ended in top 100 solo q.. I exploited the system right?

[alimdia]

So since i ended in top 100 solo q.. I exploited the system right?

Where did I say every single person in the top 100 is a cheater?

[Sicno]

So since i ended in top 100 solo q.. I exploited the system right?

...Please go and actually read the thread once and for all.

The thread was about the manipulation of the rankings that happened during the season, with things like teams waiting until low activity hours to get matched together and wintrade. There's also the case of a known cheater (not gonna say names) that has been... let's say "speeding" his way to the top and guess what, he got the mount too. The thread didn't mean to say that hardcore players who put effort shouldn't get exclussive rewards. The premise was that there was so much cheating through the season that these rankings mean nothing and shouldn't be honored. Of course not everybody on the top must be a cheater, but it seems there was so much of it that the season rankings are a joke.

[Nirokun]

...Please go and actually read the thread once and for all.

The thread was about the manipulation of the rankings that happened during the season, with things like teams waiting until low activity hours to get matched together and wintrade. There's also the case of a known cheater (not gonna say names) that has been... let's say "speeding" his way to the top and guess what, he got the mount too. The thread didn't mean to say that hardcore players who put effort shouldn't get exclussive rewards. The premise was that there was so much cheating through the season that these rankings mean nothing and shouldn't be honored. Of course not everybody on the top must be a cheater, but it seems there was so much of it that the season rankings are a joke.

Then the only logical conclusion to CHEATERS is to remove them. The illogical reason being used as a launchpad to remove exclusivity is that because there were cheaters, nobody should have exclusive rewards as they are rendered meaningless. That doesn't fix the problem of cheaters, nor does it promote activity within the content. The only logical answer is to crack down on cheaters and establish harsh punishments.

[LadyKairi]

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While, yes, raiding isn't technically competitive, it does not change the fact that a lot of time and effort goes into it. Yes it takes you pvpers months of work to get your rewards, but it can be the same for raiders. For some it takes months to even clear one of the raid floors. Players are able to cheat through raid content because SE allows them to. They were the ones who chose to allow older raids to be unsynced. They didn't have to, but they did. And it's not surprising they give others a chance at pvp rewards too.

Both raiders and pvpers put a lot of time and effort into what they do. IMHO, there should be a form of exclusivity for everyone or none at all. Pvpers should not be the only ones to get exclusivity, when others put in exactly the same amount of time and effort into what they do.

Exclusivity for all, or for none at all.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

While, yes, raiding isn't technically competitive, it does not change the fact that a lot of time and effort goes into it. Yes it takes you pvpers months of work to get your rewards, but it can be the same for raiders. For some it takes months to even clear one of the raid floors. Players are able to cheat through raid content because SE allows them to. They were the ones who chose to allow older raids to be unsynced. They didn't have to, but they did. And it's not surprising they give others a chance at pvp rewards too.

Both raiders and pvpers put a lot of time and effort into what they do. IMHO, there should be a form of exclusivity for everyone or none at all. Pvpers should not be the only ones to get exclusivity, when others put in exactly the same amount of time and effort into what they do.

Exclusivity for all, or for none at all.

Please bear with me as this might become a lengthy answer.


I agree with you that raiders work just as hard. But by the game's design, those rewards become transient and outdated, even by sub-raid gear itself when new patches come out. The challenge itself however doesn't as players don't have to run them unsynced (or rather, have the option to retain the challenge via Minimum Item Level), and lack of knowledge of the raid still can make the difference between success or failure. T7, 11, and to a lesser degree, 13 are proof of this.

PvP however is different in that it's a dynamic experience. You will almost never have the same experience in there, and sometimes even your best efforts aren't successful. This is simply how competition works. Not only that, but the Feast is the one exception with PvP rewards, as everything til now has been achievement (time/effort) based. The rewards may be incentive to compete for some, but beyond that, there hasn't been much for PvPers at all. Before Garo, the last time we got new gear was 3.25 - the start of the Feast. Item Level 205, when 230/240 was the new standard. And we got this 3 and a half patches later. Between that, plenty of PvE content, gear, rewards, mounts, etc. Nothing stopped PvPers from getting those if they worked for them, but during all that time - rather only until the Garo event of 3.5, most seemed unwilling/uninterested in PvP spoils that they had equal amounts of time to try to get. This is where we diverge on our views.

PvP and its players have been treated like the redheaded stepchild of FFXIV for a while now. We get very little, and very little is done in support of what little we get. People see the rewards we work hard for - and let's be realistic for a moment: This is an MMO. We ALL like the shiny stuff, and we ALL like to show off our shiny stuff - but when they find out it's from PvP, you can almost see the interest switch turn off in their head. Much like you occasionally get someone who pops into a dungeon or raid and has virtually no idea what they're doing, we get that as well, and attempts to try and teach are often met with hostility/disinterest. Add to that, the often groundless stigmas people carry about PvP - having never tried it but simply going by word of mouth - which only serves to complicate getting into it for those who may hold some interest, at least til now. We can thank Frontline Freelancer and the Garo event for jumpstarting queues, at least.

It's like this: IF you want something in this game, you gotta work for it. Yes, some things are exclusive, but there's always valid reason for that. I'm not a legacy player. I don't have, don't deserve, and am perfectly fine with not having any legacy rewards/spoils. I competed for top 100 in Season 3, but lacked the time to stay in the competition, so I don't have a mount. I'm okay with that. I mentioned before that almost anything in this game takes time, skill, effort, or all 3. PvP takes all 3. If someone won't even make the time for PvP, let alone the effort, they don't deserve the rewards earned with skill. At the same time, MANY people with the skills who took the time to make the effort didn't get it. But again, that's how competition works. You win some, you lose some, but most importantly, you keep going. You keep competing. To the victor goes the spoils.

As an addendum: We ALL agree the cheaters don't deserve those rewards. But the responsibility of handling that is not on us players, but SE themselves. I however do fully encourage everyone to speak up on that. It's not right, and definitely not fair to those who tried their best but fell short, or were overtaken by those who cheated.

[Magic-Mal]

TC is mad that I made a topic in the PvP forum about the mounts. That's what this is about.

Those Cheaters definitely deserve those mounts. +1

[FreyaKrescent]

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[Stormrider]

Yes stop asking that question. The real question you should ask going forward is "No more items that have limited amount." You can't ask for a limited time window since seasonal is time. But does this game actually have anything outside of feast that has a finite amount? Seriously I am curious if the game has an item only 100 or 1000 people could get.