Is our sub fee not enought

[Failia]

There has been very little fear mongering in this thread. I suppose if you'd rather focus on a few comments instead of every other valid point, that's up to you.

But in regards to the cash shop being aesthetic always and forever, Yoshi has stated that they will most likely be introducing 'jump potions' into the mix sometime after Stormblood.

The cash shop is transforming all the time. It started out pretty small, but now we see more and more exclusive items being placed in there, with prices that continually climb. And it will (most likely) soon start carrying non-aesthetic items as well. Where exactly will it stop? Is that more fear mongering?

Maybe so, but they offered a legitimate reason why they were offering said potions.It's an extremely daunting task for a new level 1 Marauder to get far enough in the story to be able to take part with their friends.

To give an example, I played WoW for a period with Wrath of the Lich King just came out with some friends at work. They had been playing for months/years prior so they were already up to par with everything. I, on the other hand, had to grind myself up to catch up. This was before they had jump potions even available. So, due to my play type, I played, largely by myself, for 2 months before I could play with them.

SQE is trying to avoid that feeling with new arrivals. New players keep the game alive just as much as veterans do, especially if said veterans take breaks from time to time when the content lull comes into effect.

[Jandor]

Maybe so, but they offered a legitimate reason why they were offering said potions.

Their "legitimate reason" is rubbish. Plenty of superior options that don't involve the cash shop.

[Failia]

Their "legitimate reason" is rubbish. Plenty of superior options that don't involve the cash shop.

Please let me know what these superior options are, I'm interested to know.

...provided they pay for it.

Else they can go and take a hike.

And the option is there if they wish to pay for it. And there will be people that pay for it, not just new arrivals but veterans as well.

Besides, first and foremost SQE is a business and a businesses sole goal is to make money. It's not to cater to every whim of ever player. That's impossible.

[Zojha]

SQE is trying to avoid that feeling with new arrivals.

...provided they pay for it.

Else they can go and take a hike.

[Naunet]

Maybe so, but they offered a legitimate reason why they were offering said potions.

And there was a perfectly legitimate alternative solution for them: unlinking the MSQ from progression to the next expansion. They went the cash-grabby route instead.

There is a precedent they are setting here: problems will be solved with cash shop items; increasingly more cosmetics will go straight to the shop instead of being added to the game. It started with simply old holiday items, and then expanded to a few novelty cosmetics, then RENTING storage space (honestly more low-brow than even the crappiest f2p mmo), then the NPC outfits and hairstyles, now unique emotes with no connection to holiday events that SHOULD have been in the game from the start (/playdead, for example)... It's only going to expand from there. That isn't doomsaying, that is literally watching the same thing happen over and over again from MMO to MMO and calling it like it is. And it is crap.

[Felis]

And there was a perfectly legitimate alternative solution for them: unlinking the MSQ from progression to the next expansion. They went the cash-grabby route instead.

rewriting the whole MSQ is not really a alternative solution.

I mean, we have to pay, on top of a subscription, for a "play dead" emote and Dark Red/Blue dye.

Then get General-purpose Dark Blue Dye or General-purpose Dark Red Dye from Quick Exploration Venture and Market Board instead of the cash shop dyes. It only need luck or gil.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Quick_Exploration

[Reynhart]

With the way XI worked I don't think many had multiple characters for playing and was mainly just for extra storage which not possible in XIV unless want to jump though hoops to do it.

Heloooo, additional retainers

And there was a perfectly legitimate alternative solution for them: unlinking the MSQ from progression to the next expansion. They went the cash-grabby route instead.

No, they went the "we have our lore set up and we'll follow it" route. Giving free access to Ishgard for every little whiner who wouldn't have the dedication to finish the ARR storyline is a big middle-finger to what makes FF XIV a Final Fantasy.

[Kaedan]

There has been very little fear mongering in this thread. I suppose if you'd rather focus on a few comments instead of every other valid point, that's up to you.

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

But in regards to the cash shop being aesthetic always and forever, Yoshi has stated that they will most likely be introducing 'jump potions' into the mix sometime after Stormblood.

And? Nearly all major MMOs include a way to instant level after a few expansions. That's not a sign of "cash shop going bad".

[Skivvy]

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

Nearly every person you say?! Talk about hyperbole.

And? Nearly all major MMOs include a way to instant level after a few expansions. That's not a sign of "cash shop going bad".

Nearly all major MMOs do not include a subscription based model. The issue is that SE keeps pushing the limits of what the players will accept. People have defended the cash shop repeatedly as it's only cosmetic/fluff, no harm there, right? Now we're most likely going to get jump potions, and the line of "aesthetic items only" will have been crossed. Brave new waters! It will be interesting to see how the shop is handled moving forward.

[Zojha]

Now we're most likely going to get jump potions, and the line of "aesthetic items only" will have been crossed.

Implying it hasn't been crossed with paid retainers long ago. That's extra storage + sale slots + item procurement right there.