Is our sub fee not enought

[Kaedan]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having vanity options available in the cash shop, new or old. In fact, new is better because it incentivizes purchasing without breaking the game like Free to Play cash shops do.

Mounts and vanity items have been the purview of cash shops for a decade. It's not "unfair" or greedy just because you want something in them and don't feel like paying for it. Our subs do not entitle us every asset in the game.

[Iromi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having vanity options available in the cash shop, new or old. In fact, new is better because it incentivizes purchasing without breaking the game like Free to Play cash shops do.

Mounts and vanity items have been the purview of cash shops for a decade. It's not "unfair" or greedy just because you want something in them and don't feel like paying for it. Our subs do not entitle us every asset in the game.

By your logic, they shouldn't sell extra retainer slots either... which is silly.

Haha..even in F2P MMO, extra stuff like inventory space is a one time buy. In this game they can get away with renting it monthly. Oh man..what a time to be alive for SE lol.

[Melorie]

I'm not even going to speak about the fact that the item is mogstation exclusive - I'm against it btw.

But 7 dollars for a recycled asset is just ridiculous.

[Ayer2015]

All these people saying no one is forcing you to buy the cash shop items are missing the point. It has no place in a sub game to begin with.
People are well aware they are not being forced to buy anything from it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

All these people saying no one is forcing you to buy the cash shop items are missing the point. It has no place in a sub game to begin with.
People are well aware they are not being forced to buy anything from it.

They could always increase the sub fee, I'm sure everyone would be ok with that. Sub's have been 14.99 since I first started playing mmos in the early 2000s. Gaming in general is the only thing I know of that hasn't gone up in price.

[Istaru]

They could always increase the sub fee, I'm sure everyone would be ok with that. Sub's have been 14.99 since I first started playing in the early 2000s. Gaming in general is the only thing I know of that hasn't gone up in price.

I was going to post something like this. A $14.99 subscription that kept up with inflation would be getting close to $25 now. Conversely, $15 now is equal to about $10.

We get better graphics and everything like that which is more development cost too. Maybe we should start a petition to increase everyone's sub costs instead of letting some people pay the extra for the items they want:

[Seoulstar]

All these people saying no one is forcing you to buy the cash shop items are missing the point. It has no place in a sub game to begin with.
People are well aware they are not being forced to buy anything from it.

Then people speak with their wallets. Obviously most has no problem with it since it's still here and not gone.

[Kaedan]

All these people saying no one is forcing you to buy the cash shop items are missing the point. It has no place in a sub game to begin with.
People are well aware they are not being forced to buy anything from it.

No, you seem to be the one missing a point. You claim "it has no place in a sub game", and then you fail to provide a rational, logical argument to exactly why you believe that vanity items sold in a cash shop "has no place in a sub game".

Again, we are not entitled to every asset created for the game just by subbing. If they want to create a vanity item (emote, glamour, mount) and incentivize it by making it a cash shop exclusive, then they are well within their rights and expectations as a business.

What you are saying is exactly the same as saying that just because you pay a monthly fee to use the fitness gym, you shouldn't have to pay to rent towels or other convenience items...

[Stormrider]

No, you seem to be the one missing a point. You claim "it has no place in a sub game", and then you fail to provide a rational, logical argument to exactly why you believe that vanity items sold in a cash shop "has no place in a sub game".

Again, we are not entitled to every asset created for the game just by subbing. If they want to create a vanity item (emote, glamour, mount) and incentivize it by making it a cash shop exclusive, then they are well within their rights and expectations as a business.

What you are saying is exactly the same as saying that just because you pay a monthly fee to use the fitness gym, you shouldn't have to pay to rent towels or other convenience items...

The gym comment is funny. I pay for one that includes that in the cost.

To the rationale argument both sides are flimsy since we are missing pertinent information. Maybe the need the money to keep running, but have never said. Or they are padding someones damn pockets and don't want to admit it. Or they are a poorly managed company that bleeds money and need the cash to plug holes.

First for me at least is did sub money pay to make cash shop items? Did the limited team resources get diverted, when they complain they can't hire enough skilled staff.

[Kaedan]

The gym comment is funny. I pay for one that includes that in the cost.

To the rationale argument both sides are flimsy since we are missing pertinent information. First for me at least is did sub money pay to make cash shop items?

Ok, so your gym covers towels. I'm sure they sell other convenience items that aren't covered by your gym membership, which is the point.

And to your second comment, it doesn't matter what sub money goes to. As long as the servers are paid for and they are providing monthly updates, that's all that we are entitled to for our sub money. What they do with any extra money is completely at their discretion, and not any of our business.

Again, that's like saying that money made from gym memberships can only be used to improve the gym and the free services provided, and can't be used to fund another gym or pay dividends to investors... it's illogical and not sound.