Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[SigmaOZ]

I am getting sick and tired of finding a piece of gear I need for one of my Job classes and someone with higher lvl gear who clearly doesn't need it anymore goes and hits the "Need" button anyways and snatches it away!

Higher levels geared players should NOT have the ability to do that and needs to be changed where they have to gamble with their luck through the Greed command like everyone else who's Job class doesn't relate to a certain piece of drop gear in a dungeon.

No way!...

If you need a certain piece of gear DO what most serious players would and play the job that needs it, what you propose it's not fair, besides that RNG sucks and only by needing you can be certain of getting what you want, given there's no one else that can need too!...

[Cordie]

No way!...

If you need a certain piece of gear DO what most serious players would and play the job that needs it, what you propose it's not fair, besides that RNG sucks and only by needing you can be certain of getting what you want, given there's no one else that can need too!...

I think this has been discussed extensively in other threads too as well as mentioned here before: Going in with an undergeared class/job you are knowingly obstructing the group's performance and artificially increasing the effort the other 3 unlucky ppl in your party have to put forth to balance your handicap.

[SigmaOZ]

I think this has been discussed extensively in other threads too as well as mentioned here before: Going in with an undergeared class/job you are knowingly obstructing the group's performance and artificially increasing the effort the other 3 unlucky ppl in your party have to put forth to balance your handicap.

That is your cheap excuse, there are many ways to gear up before a given duty and if you meet the minimum item level then no one can argue you are burdening them!...

The quality of your gear depends on the amount of time you put in the effort of getting it and you can't possibly say there aren't enough ways of getting it, craft it if you have to, buy it or expend tomes on it!...

[SendohJin]

I think this has been discussed extensively in other threads too as well as mentioned here before: Going in with an undergeared class/job you are knowingly obstructing the group's performance and artificially increasing the effort the other 3 unlucky ppl in your party have to put forth to balance your handicap.

Nothing is under-geared if you can get in.

I frequently queue on my i260 tank instead of i270 healer, my i250 SMN regularly kills stuff faster than i260+ DPS that don't know how to play their jobs properly too. should i stop?

[Cordie]

Nothing is under-geared if you can get in.

Check the recent threads about that, the ones asking for stricter criteria etc, as well as those justifying vote-kicks for this exact reason.

Anyone mentioned statistics?

The probability of getting an item after rolling Need in a light party after lv50, with any possible party composition and a 50% chance to roll more than the other dps if it comes to that:



The "Need" option is designed to cater to specific roles/jobs.
So much for the "fairness" of resorting to RNG.

[Emstidor]

Check the recent threads about that, the ones asking for stricter criteria etc, as well as those justifying vote-kicks for this exact reason.

Anyone mentioned statistics?

The probability of getting an item after rolling Need in a light party after lv50, with any possible party composition and a 50% chance to roll more than the other dps if it comes to that:



The "Need" option is designed to cater to specific roles/jobs.
So much for the "fairness" of resorting to RNG.

This is actually is a legitimate issue caused more by the game's loot system that would be best fixed by either implementing personal loot drops, or the other option YoshiP and his team was considering, which was to limit drops to only the classes running that particular instance (Ideally with a flat 25% chance to roll a particular class in 4-man dungeons, with same-class parties combining their drop chances to compensate for the roll competition).

The Need/Greed system isn't really at fault for that, though.

[Underdog2204]

Nothing is under-geared if you can get in.

I frequently queue on my i260 tank instead of i270 healer, my i250 SMN regularly kills stuff faster than i260+ DPS that don't know how to play their jobs properly too. should i stop?

Since when is 250 and probably wearing casting acessories as a caster undergeared for anything?

Stop wearing casting acessories, swtich then to healing onces and then remove yor weapon and use a ilvl 145 one. Dw you'll still be able to get into all the dungeons available. Then you may get a better idea of what we are talking about, all you are doing is going "oh my lowest geared job is undergeared coz it's not as high as my other ones" which is a rediculous way of thinking.

[ErryK]

Since when is 250 and probably wearing casting acessories as a caster undergeared for anything?

Stop wearing casting acessories, swtich then to healing onces and then remove yor weapon and use a ilvl 145 one. Dw you'll still be able to get into all the dungeons available. Then you may get a better idea of what we are talking about, all you are doing is going "oh my lowest geared job is undergeared coz it's not as high as my other ones" which is a rediculous way of thinking.

That's an idiot, not an undergeared player that you are describing.