Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Naunet]

In this idea amongst other things comes dungeon gear, we can do a lot with it as many of u have pointed out and many players do run old dungeons just for the single purpose of glamour, oportunity for gc seals and desyn... (Tomes from roulettes...)

Do you think you're the only person in the dungeon who needs GC seals or desynth items? It's not like trading in gear is restricted by job. What makes YOUR want to trade in an item for GC seals or to desynth it more important than the rest of the group's?

Need is for equipping - that's why the Need button is restricted by job/class. Greed is for everything else. If you need for seals or desynth, you are taking advantage of the system in an unfair way and deciding that your want is more important than everyone else's who also want that item for the same thing you do.

[ManuelBravo]

Need is for equipping - that's why the Need button is restricted by job/class. Greed is for everything else. If you need for seals or desynth, you are taking advantage of the system in an unfair way and deciding that your want is more important than everyone else's who also want that item for the same thing you do.

Need is used by class as a reason on why you need it. If your playing that role why shouldn't you have first pick? Need is not just for equipping. How ever a player wants to use it for...is his / hers personal need. If you need a specific type of equipment people should stop complaining and play that role. That or communicate before hand and ask for it. Otherwise it's fair game. In no way shape or form is that manipulating the system. Hence why SE added the function for loot rules/ master. YOU could start your own party and set those options to greed only. Not likely people will join as fast. If you think about it, it's a type of guarantee for people to stop complaining about rng lot numbers. WE ALL PAY for the service, guidelines are given, and team communication is important. As a tank / mentor I've yet to be in a group that doesn't pass on an item that is needed by someone else if they just ask. If you see it as an expectation...well, welcome to the harsh reality. "He who speaks will be heard"
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[Naunet]

If your playing that role why shouldn't you have first pick?

Already covered this: because turning something in isn't restricted by class... you aren't the only person who wants to use it for turn-in purposes. By rolling need for seals/desynth, you are asserting that your want takes priority over other people's for an arbitrary reason that doesn't actually apply to what you want to use it for.

[ManuelBravo]

Already covered this: because turning something in isn't restricted by class... you aren't the only person who wants to use it for turn-in purposes. By rolling need for seals/desynth, you are asserting that your want takes priority over other people's for an arbitrary reason that doesn't actually apply to what you want to use it for.

I use it mainly for CS for items to craft relics for one. Some items are needed and can only be obtain by company seals. I tried looking for your profile on loadstone, didn't see it by the way, and notice most people who are complaining either don't craft or even bother with relics. I personally see it as a need. If someone really needs something I will be more than courteous to them. As an expectation however don't think so. Here is a simple example. If like to farm tomes and gear for CS. I go as a tank because I like to have control over speed runs. If I want to make 20k in seals how many runs do you think I would need to do if I use greed vs need? It's simple a lot more. What if one run nothing but healer drops happen ? If healer already has item on inventory they won't be able to get it. Hence pass is only option. The system is fair, people who don't communicate complain. I also craft does that I mean I should only greed and keep doing runs until RNG sees it fit? Not likely. If I need it, regardless the reason, it would be up to me. Now if your farming gear for an upcoming job you plan on leveling later on...well what can I tell you start playing that role or craft.I try to farm 80k in CS in min 2 days how much time would you spend farming seals otherwise? Most won't even bother and is all based on dedication and what they want to accomplish.

[Naunet]

I should only greed and keep doing runs until RNG sees it fit?

Yes. Because that is what is fair to everyone. We all deal with the same RNG. YOUR want for seals or whatever is not more important than other party members who also want stuff for seals/desynth/etc. Stop being selfish.

[Kaedan]

Yes. Because that is what is fair to everyone. We all deal with the same RNG. YOUR want for seals or whatever is not more important than other party members who also want stuff for seals/desynth/etc. Stop being selfish.

If I'm the tank and I need on something for seals, then the DPS or healer can do the same if their gear drops. Nothing unfair or selfish about it.

[Naunet]

If I'm the tank and I need on something for seals, then the DPS or healer can do the same if their gear drops. Nothing unfair or selfish about it.

And if nothing for them drops? You just screwed them out of any chances whatsoever, whereas if you all greeded, you would all get an equal shot.

[ReplicaX]

Need is for equipping - that's why the Need button is restricted by job/class. Greed is for everything else. If you need for seals or desynth, you are taking advantage of the system in an unfair way and deciding that your want is more important than everyone else's who also want that item for the same thing you do.

Welcome to RNG.

Your "etiquette" is not how the system was designed. The system as is gives everyone the opportunity on the job & content they queued for by design.

Proper etiquette is communicating with your party members and all members agreeing to different loot rules. Communicate and mutually agree or go the job you want gear for as that is how it was intended.

[Naunet]

or go the job you want gear for as that is how it was intended.

Except even if one IS on the job they want gear for, it's possible they will lose their roll to someone who just wants to destroy it for seals or mats. This has happened to me a great number of times.

[Kaedan]

Except even if one IS on the job they want gear for, it's possible they will lose their roll to someone who just wants to destroy it for seals or mats. This has happened to me a great number of times.

1) The only instance in which that can occur is when there are two DPS of the same job, which is relatively rare in a dungeon.

2) Even if they win the roll, it's still completely fair and equal, and it doesn't matter one iota what they plan to use it for. Them using it for GC seals or desynthesis or glamour is just as valid and "necessary" as you using it for stats. In fact, it's often more "necessary" for someone using it for purposes other than stats because any dungeon gear used for stats is going to be replaced soon.