Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[ManuelBravo]

Everyone knows it is usability based. The issue is that they don't need it, so why do they get the need option?

Lets make it easy, I don't need it as glamor or gear, I trade it in for Company seals for crafting, relic items. Mostly all high levels use this for these means. Now if people ask me to pass I will. Otherwise yes it is a NEED. IF anyone speaks up they will be heard and most high level people are reasonable and willing to co operate. Unless your rude about it. High level gives about 1100+ seals and with FC or item bonus more. So you could see if we need 99 of crafting gear or items it's a must. Some relic items are 4k to 20k in seals so there really is a need. If you happen to be one of those players that doesn't do relics or craft I can understand why you feel the way you do. Just keep in mind there is a reason why we select a need. IF you rather not speak up play that role so you can get priority. Otherwise speak up and depend on RNG. Yep based on your loadstone profile I'm not surprised you feel it's unfair.

[Kaurie]

Lets make it easy, I don't need it as glamor or gear, I trade it in for Company seals for crafting, relic items. Mostly all high levels use this for these means. Now if people ask me to pass I will. Otherwise yes it is a NEED. IF anyone speaks up they will be heard and most high level people are reasonable and willing to co operate. Unless your rude about it. High level gives about 1100+ seals and with FC or item bonus more. So you could see if we need 99 of crafting gear or items it's a must. Some relic items are 4k to 20k in seals so there really is a need. If you happen to be one of those players that doesn't do relics or craft I can understand why you feel the way you do. Just keep in mind there is a reason why we select a need. IF you rather not speak up play that role so you can get priority. Otherwise speak up and depend on RNG. Yep based on your loadstone profile I'm not surprised you feel it's unfair.

I understand that you can put it in for seals; however, how is your need for seals greater than someone elses need for seals. If needing for seals was an appropriate understanding of the term 'need', then everyone would be able to need everything. A WHM can trade a Fending accessory in for seals just as easily as a Paladin.

Anyway, I don't strongly care for this issue. The gear is usually so low for the content time, that I'd rather gear up alts via other methods. That said, I agree more with the OP than others.

[ReplicaX]

The system isn't the issue and addressing the system isn't the solution. The biggest improvement to the lot system is the fact you can pass after lotting if someone hasn't lotted.

The reason I state this is simple. It affords you the time to ask party members to pass something you really want. This is especially helpful with another member on the same job.

If you don't ask, its on you. Especially if you aren't even on the job for the gear drop.

Honestly, if you don't say anything and just lot. You have no reason to be upset at any player on the job that can roll "Need". There is no etiquette for someone unwilling to communicate.

[ManuelBravo]

I understand that you can put it in for seals; however, how is your need for seals greater than someone elses need for seals. If needing for seals was an appropriate understanding of the term 'need', then everyone would be able to need everything. A WHM can trade a Fending accessory in for seals just as easily as a Paladin.

Anyway, I don't strongly care for this issue. The gear is usually so low for the content time, that I'd rather gear up alts via other methods. That said, I agree more with the OP than others.

/facepalm I doubt that you understand, Ok lets define need in game, another way of saying is as First pick at item based on your role. The system will not allow you to carry two of the same unless it's on retainer. With that being said IF you don't understand why we do it after a simple explanation for the priority of seals vs others you may want to consider either building a relic, or crafting to see it first hand. IF you rather not do that then all I can tell you is all is fair with the loot unless you make your own party and set loot rules, spoiler alert you will have a long wait. With this I will end this conversation. It doesn't get any simpler than this.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

System works fine, believe me, it would be a lot more infuriating to get that one glamour piece you have been pining for drop, but the piece you have is better, someone else out-rolls you and gets it, you have priority on loot if you can actually equip it, if a piece you want drops, ask for it, in my experience, if they were just gonna chuck it for seals, they will pass, not always, but its better than saying nothing and then fuming about it.

[Kit-Kat]

Imagine the opposite situation. A player with higher itl gear than you making a thread complaining that someone rolled need on gear that could have been greed-rolled and used for seals/desynth/glamour/whatever. What do you think the outcome of that thread would be? :] You're both doing the same run for your own purposes. People woudn't run and give shorter queues if they weren't allowed to roll need on gear they're looking and running a dungeon for, while you're not even using the job you're asking it for. If your alt job doesn't have enough itl to join that dungeon, you should not be in a hurry to gear it when you have other options. Like the whole ff14 system revolves on 'forcing' people to run lower content to keep it alive for everyone else. I personally check the gear of someone who's playing the same class as my alt jobs when I join a dungeon and ask if they wouldn't mind passing, it usually works, and if they refuse, I do understand why.

[Seig345]

[...]If needing for seals was an appropriate understanding of the term 'need', then everyone would be able to need everything. A WHM can trade a Fending accessory in for seals just as easily as a Paladin. [...]

But there is more than one drop in a dungeon. Each drop has a statistic possibility of being something you can need on. Therefore, the option of needing on an item for the seals is in fact available to everyone, just not all on the same piece of gear.

A whm can need a whm piece out from under that PLD for the seals as easily as a PLD can need a PLD piece out from under a WHM. Statistically, it's an even playing field.

[Alistaire]

I understand that you can put it in for seals; however, how is your need for seals greater than someone elses need for seals?

It isn't. That's why they have the option of needing if a piece of seal fodder drops for their job, and you get to do the same if one drops for yours, and if one drops for nobody's, everyone rolls greed.

That system's fine, and should not be changed.

[Naunet]

In this idea amongst other things comes dungeon gear, we can do a lot with it as many of u have pointed out and many players do run old dungeons just for the single purpose of glamour, oportunity for gc seals and desyn... (Tomes from roulettes...)

Do you think you're the only person in the dungeon who needs GC seals or desynth items? It's not like trading in gear is restricted by job. What makes YOUR want to trade in an item for GC seals or to desynth it more important than the rest of the group's?

Need is for equipping - that's why the Need button is restricted by job/class. Greed is for everything else. If you need for seals or desynth, you are taking advantage of the system in an unfair way and deciding that your want is more important than everyone else's who also want that item for the same thing you do.

[Zojha]

Statistically, it's an even playing field.

Statistically, every household in the USA had around 145k-170k dollar monetary assets and around 56k national debt in 2015 (Numbers vary by source).

So...statistically, the entire national debt could just be paid off in one day and everyone would still have around 40-50/90k-110k left (Depending on household size - average is 2,5 people, which would put the remainder of cash at 5k-30k). That's how the situation looks statistically. Sounds like a pretty good plan, eh?

I can only chuckle when people are bringing statistical arguments.