Samurai Melee DPS thoughts

[Neophyte]

I'm very worried about queues with 2 DPS coming in the expansion. I remember ROG/NIN being quite messy and bloating queues, and I'm sure this will have a similar effect.

This had nothing to do with NIN being a dps role.

Which one new class mid-expansion this would happen regardless of role, because it's the only class to level left for many people. So don't pull out that strawman NIN, pls.

And (don't wanna count again, so same numbers):
Snapshot (11:30 ST) of trials cross-server pf of Chaos: 21 tank slots, 17 healer slots, 104 dps slots (+20 free white slots).

Roulettes as dps: Ex -12 min; lvl. 60 - <5 min; leveling < 5 min; trials < 5 min

[Aeliott]

I'm very worried about queues with 2 DPS coming in the expansion. I remember ROG/NIN being quite messy and bloating queues, and I'm sure this will have a similar effect. PotD will help with some of that bloat, but I still think it'll be an issue. Though, I guess this does explain why they finally fixed the issue of not being able to queue with your chocobo out.

Unlike Ninja, these jobs are coming at a time when 1) Every job gets a new level cap, 2) we have an entire expansion's worth of content at our feet, and 3) something a lot of people are neglecting - they're aiming to make tanking and healing more refreshing with their new battle system. 4) the size of the population actively playing the game is going to be way bigger - all new content is going to be swarming with players of all roles.

I've always thought people blow DPS queue times out of proportion anyway, but it's going to be nowhere near as bad as when Ninja was added in an update with relatively little new content otherwise.

[Berethos]

It's not the same because its coming out during a time when people will want to level their main job to 70, and its not the only option to level. Not everyone will want to play the new jobs right away cause they want to level their old main jobs to 70.

Agreed.

I definitely plan on getting my Bard to 70 first (and given Yugiri's connection in the story, get Ninja up to 70 as well) before I even think about focusing on getting Samurai to 70, and even then there will be new progression to work through. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Extrapolate that to those who focus on a tanking or healing class, and you can see why I'm not terribly concerned.

[JunseiKei]

I'm very worried about queues with 2 DPS coming in the expansion. I remember ROG/NIN being quite messy and bloating queues, and I'm sure this will have a similar effect. PotD will help with some of that bloat, but I still think it'll be an issue. Though, I guess this does explain why they finally fixed the issue of not being able to queue with your chocobo out.

It won't be nearly that bad. When NIN made its arrival, all DPS still queued the same. Now, melee and ranged DPS are considered separate and varying queue times. They gave us one melee and one ranged.

[Vanitas]

People called the idea of Sam being DPS a sin, I call it justice.

[Dzian]

No matter which way you slice it, DPS queues are going to go to hell for a long time.

DPS queues have been hell ever since ARR launched...

people are talking as if drk in 3.0 suddenly magically fixed the long ass queues dps had in ARR. nope, nope it didn't at all... DPS queues still suck.. my blm was still 47th in the queue for expert yesterday for example... (would have tanked but doing blm relic so need lights)

Adding DRK didn't really increase the number of tanks in the game for example. all it really did is divide the players that play tanks across 3 rolls instead of 2. the overall number of tanks didn't really change much...

They could add 10 new tank jobs in 4.0 and dps queues would still be horrible..

if you were to compare for example the number of players that have tanks or even everything at 60. to the number of players that actually play tanks you'd see a big difference..
If DRK was a dps and not a tank for example i'd bet it'd be a much more popular class than it currently is..

[Evergrey]

People called the idea of Sam being DPS a sin, I call it justice.

They said the same thing about DRK being a tank.

[Belhi]

No that's what happened with HW and what will happen with SB.

And people who "desire" to switch are the same people who want to "switch because it's new" people, not people who are going to main anything.

That still will mean a month of god awful dps queues.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

The main issue will be in regards to queuing for content outside Potd.

Having a new class wont stop the need for tomes etc.

PotD isn't a solution when you must do dungeons/trials in the MSQ. Even the sprouts trying to do Sastasha for the first time will be effected. The leveling roulette is suppose to pick those players up, but queue time is going get really long for the DPS. Further, PotD might not even give exp after 60 because SE doesn't want players to do old content over the new Stormblood content.

Having a new class isn't going to stop all the raiders pushing through to get to 70 first on their mains. It is also not gonna stop all the other players wanted to advance through the storyline to get to the trials etc. The classes may not even fit in with endgame straight away (AST).

As much as I want to try the new classes I will do everything on my AST first.

Me and my friends will try level our classes together, so we can queue into stuff instantly, there is also PotD and the obvious fate farming, but yeah, adding DPS classes only will screw with queues, it won't be too bad at first I think, with everyone levelling their current mains for the Stormblood storyline, but it will be bound to get worse as time goes on (Ninja queues...ugh)

Samurai looks fun, it will be sharing gear with MNK, which is good, because as a MNK main I have all the gear I could possibly want for it, best grab some lvl 50 gear while I can of course.

Same here Monk is my main DPS so Sam should be easy to equip out.

[shao32]

if sam has slashing debuff, people are still gonna prefer the war to do the debuff.... unless the slashing debuff from sam comes from the required dps combo and doesn't lower their dps like nin's does....

thats was im saying, all depend of the SAM skill set if WAR utility is still mandatory or being unecesary at the presence of a samurai in the team.

the other think that can keep WAR mandatory is they personal dps, all depend of how balance the tanks damage or bring some desirable utility to PLD/DRK now they are confirmed are only 3 for at least 2 years in order to make DRK/PLD comb with a SAM a second powerfull party set up