So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Reinha]

That has nothing to do with my comment. What I tried to show is that everyone have their preferences, so people should stop with the "we don't need any more role x or role y" because THERE ARE people that would like to have new eolw x or y jobs.

I don't think you read my comment fully if all you got from it was me telling that new tank and healer jobs are not needed. I quite clearly stated that adding more jobs to only one role is not good for the game.

[Zojha]

What I tried to show is that everyone have their preferences[...]

And water is wet. I don't think it really needs to be spelled out.

Any argument on need or not need is valid, but only in regards to the respective goal they want to achieve. If you want to tie shoelaces, you need a shoelace, if you prefer zippers you need a zipper and no shoelace. If you want no shoes at all, you need neither, but you might still want them for your sick zipper fetish.

As such, people should definitely keep the "need" arguments coming! But they should always state what they need or not need it for.

[TarynH]

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

I've come to understand that while Yoshi likes to JOKE with the playerbase, he >personally< has never aimed to mislead anyone.

I think a thread with 110 pages kinda proves he enjoys it. =P

[RaijinSupreme]

I wish Jobs could change Roles by equipping different weapons, rather than a weapon determining the job. Take Arcanist/Summoner/Scholars. Nix Scholars, it's just Summoner, but you can equip a heal book to summon faeries and use spells like that, or a DPS book to summon egi's and use offense spells.

That's how DCUO does it.

[Kaedan]

That's how DCUO does it.

Not really. in DCUO, you are locked into a power set unless you spend money in the cash shop to get a power change token. Each power set has a "role" setting and a "dps" setting, so you can freely switch between those, but that's the extent. You can change your weapon, yes, but it doesn't change the role you play.

[Ceasaria]

Again remember that we may (might ? never know when to use those 2 in speculation ^^") get only 2 jobs :
- "confirmation" by the famous tweet
- Yoshida saying 3 was a pain
But still, 3 fan fest in total....the guy has to wear something ^^" the spiderman T-shirt might just be a way to keep us busy speculating until the last Fanfest xD

My answer !

The only thing said about developing three jobs, was that Yoshida received feedback from the battle team that designing 3 jobs was "Something that they'd never want to do again, ever." and it was played for laughs. This is a far cry from him directly stating it was too difficult and that they would never do it again, only that he received complaints from the battle team over it. One also has to take into fact as mentioned above, they were also at least partially working on Ninja at around the same time as well.

These things, coupled with the fact Stormblood supposedly has an increased budget and is lacking some things that would take up asset development time at the least (no new race for example) means it should still be possible to deliver 3 jobs once again. On top of that, there was a comment from Yoshida during the 14 hour anniversary stream that there was a hint towards the number of new jobs in the Moonfire summer event, the likely allusion to there being 3 rangers, and thus 3 jobs.

[Shippuu]

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

[TarynH]

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."

http://gamerescape.com/2017/01/12/ga...-3-5-and-more/ (halfway down after the Griffin picture)

And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

[Shippuu]

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."


And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

Going "Here's a clue for something that's right, but then I'm gonna say it's not a clue" is not a red herring, especially when it's denied in an obvious manner and context where it's understood he's not being serious about the denials. An example of a red herring would be if he wore a shirt featuring hints towards something that didn't end up being implemented or result in anything. It would be akin to him wearing a Batman shirt but then the job released was Samurai and not Dark Knight. That is a red herring.


And his "loves to troll" comment was honestly more specifically in reference to the story/narrative elements they were discussing. He, nor this dev team, has shown any kind of real penchant for overtly trolling or misleading information. And this thread has only gone on so far not necessarily because of what SE has done with their shirt, but more so that people deny the evidence before them and continue to grasp at anything they can to support what they want.

There's also no evidence yet that Yoshida's shirt choice was meant to drum up crazy speculation and not simply a poor choice in shirts to wear to tease the next job.

[Kaedan]

There's also no evidence yet that Yoshida's shirt choice was meant to drum up crazy speculation and not simply a poor choice in shirts to wear to tease the next job.

You mean besides the fact that Yoshida himself said so?

The interview posted a few pages back in this thread has him literally saying that the shirt was meant to drum up crazy speculation.