So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Shippuu]

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

[Khalithar]

None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.

[Lambdafish]

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.

Trust me, I still saw people trying to propose dancer from scarlet witch...

[TarynH]

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

I've come to understand that while Yoshi likes to JOKE with the playerbase, he >personally< has never aimed to mislead anyone.

I think a thread with 110 pages kinda proves he enjoys it. =P

[Shippuu]

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

[TarynH]

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."

http://gamerescape.com/2017/01/12/ga...-3-5-and-more/ (halfway down after the Griffin picture)

And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

[Shippuu]

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."


And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

Going "Here's a clue for something that's right, but then I'm gonna say it's not a clue" is not a red herring, especially when it's denied in an obvious manner and context where it's understood he's not being serious about the denials. An example of a red herring would be if he wore a shirt featuring hints towards something that didn't end up being implemented or result in anything. It would be akin to him wearing a Batman shirt but then the job released was Samurai and not Dark Knight. That is a red herring.


And his "loves to troll" comment was honestly more specifically in reference to the story/narrative elements they were discussing. He, nor this dev team, has shown any kind of real penchant for overtly trolling or misleading information. And this thread has only gone on so far not necessarily because of what SE has done with their shirt, but more so that people deny the evidence before them and continue to grasp at anything they can to support what they want.

There's also no evidence yet that Yoshida's shirt choice was meant to drum up crazy speculation and not simply a poor choice in shirts to wear to tease the next job.

[Kaedan]

There's also no evidence yet that Yoshida's shirt choice was meant to drum up crazy speculation and not simply a poor choice in shirts to wear to tease the next job.

You mean besides the fact that Yoshida himself said so?

The interview posted a few pages back in this thread has him literally saying that the shirt was meant to drum up crazy speculation.

[TarynH]

Going "Here's a clue for something that's right, but then I'm gonna say it's not a clue" is not a red herring,

You're looking at it from hindsight. It's right after the fact. But at the time, you had to take it with a grain of salt. He could have just liked Batman or Bond. Just like now. Everyone believes the Spider-man shirt is a tease to a new job. But that won't be proven right, until it's revealed that it did, in fact, tease a job. Right now it's serving as a distraction. If he comes out on the 18th and says RDM was it, or the new job is Rune Fencer, the shirt will make no sense.

A red herring is not a lie. It is a misdirection; a distraction. Something to lead an audience down a rabbit trail. But it could lead right back to the truth that it started from. In other words, the shirt became the truth, but he said it wasn't relevant at the time, which led people to discuss if it was or was not. Ultimately, they learned it was, but at the time it caused uncertainty.

Just like the SAM files could be real, or they could have been tossed in to distract us from the real job, but then later they would add SAM. So while SAM wouldn't be true now, in the end, it could be true. So they didn't lie and say it wouldn't be in the game. They simply distracted us with something else.

I really don't care what the next job is. I'll play it anyway (probably after RDM). I think it will be BLU. It makes more sense than an obscure Sam Raini, or one picture reference, even with the files. But who knows?

All I said, and I'll say it again, I find it rather odd that anyone would toss in files for a new job before it's announced. It seems rather trollish to me.

[Shippuu]

A red herring is not a lie. It is a misdirection; a distraction. Something to lead an audience down a rabbit trail. But it could lead right back to the truth that it started from. In other words, the shirt became the truth, but he said it wasn't relevant at the time, which led people to discuss if it was or was not. Ultimately, they learned it was, but at the time it caused uncertainty.

By this logic though, everything they ever say ever can be considered a red herring because anyone can speculate or doubt what they say and come up with ridiculous theories for anything.

I really don't care what the next job is. I'll play it anyway (probably after RDM). I think it will be BLU. It makes more sense than an obscure Sam Raini, or one picture reference, even with the files. But who knows?

You can think it's BLU all you want, it doesn't negate the substantial evidence that SAM is next even despite the data files. It's funny you talk about misderection yet still think BLU is more viable than SAM, when Yoshida has very recently used BLU specifically during the JP fanfest as a misderection to avoid discussing/acknowledging SAM.
By your logic, he's used Blue Mage as a red herring to throw off people speculating about Samurai.

All I said, and I'll say it again, I find it rather odd that anyone would toss in files for a new job before it's announced. It seems rather trollish to me.

You act like it was intentional and not the more obvious conclusion that it was merely an oversight/mistake.