Stupid reason to report someone

[Mimilu]

Or not. Just let people play how they want. You don't pay for their sub.

That may be true but this is an MMO, i.e. other players are playing and paying subs too.
If you can't play your job efficiently, then you are interfering with the other players in your party and forcing them to pick up your slack.
For healers, this means being able to balance healing and DPS. It would be one things if the OP had to compensate for a squishy tank or DPS that are prone to being damage but to just say "I don't wanna" seems lazy...

[DaikiKiyoshi]

How can you savor the exact same run everyday ?
I mean at the begining ok, why not. After a certain amount of time in the patch, doing a 20+ min expert run is just a pain.

As Moomba33 said, it is indeed a play style thing. In recent days I've found I get more enjoyment out of running the content for the sake of running it rather than running it as fast as possible for the tomes / other rewards. We will get showered in free tomes right before 4.0 anyway so why rush?

[Jpec07]

You're right. Reporting someone for not playing the way you think they should play IS stupid.

What's NOT stupid is reporting someone for "telling you off" when you asked them to participate in a fashion that would help you complete the duty faster.

You were reported for telling someone off, OP, not for not doing DPS. There are plenty of ways to respond to a situation like that which don't result in explosion, but you chose to explode. That is definitely reportable.

[Musashidon]

If you can't play your job efficiently, then you are interfering with the other players in your party and forcing them to pick up your slack.

this is untrue for healers as all dungeons are made with healers doing absolutely no damage as said by the devs. (if we are going to talking about dungeon reqs)

telling someone to play efficiently isn't a game req to be able to do dungeons.

just do enough to do the dungeon req and you are fine. if players want to have perfect runs they can play with thier friends.

[Sagittarian]

Uhm, no - none of the guildhests are required for anything at all (excepting unlocking other guildhests of course.) AFAIK you can go through the entire game and do everything else in it without ever doing a single guildhest.

Getting through "More than a Feeler" used to be required for progression. That was long before Heavensward came out.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

this is untrue for healers as all dungeons are made with healers doing absolutely no damage as said by the devs. (if we are going to talking about dungeon reqs)

telling someone to play efficiently isn't a game req to be able to do dungeons.

just do enough to do the dungeon req and you are fine. if players want to have perfect runs they can play with thier friends.

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

[Ralts]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

If i'd player as a healer throughout a dungeon without dealing damage, i'd be pressing about 1-2 buttons max. These type of healers aren't support healers: they're leechers.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them?

You may be looking at it the wrong way.

It's not that dungeons and content are designed so that you don't HAVE to do your absolute best, they're designed on the lowest common denominator, so that IF by chance you have someone new, or someone who isn't capable of playing their given role at its absolute highest, you can still clear the content. The difference of course is a matter of minutes, but the big picture is accessibility. Even raids aren't designed based on one single, absolutely perfect execution of mechanics and rotations by 8 people. Gordias came close to that, and STILL wasn't designed with healer DPS in mind, but look how well that went.

To clarify, before anyone comes thundering in to dispute that, raids are designed to require a certain amount of DPS and a degree of precision mechanical timing or handling, but there's still a LOT of leeway, and that's largely to remain somewhat forgiving and flexible for almost any standard comp. The idea is that, generally, if you have 2 tanks, 2 healers, perhaps 2 melees and 2 ranged, it doesn't matter if you DON'T have a DRG, or don't have an AST, or if you even have 2 BRDs and no caster, you can still, with perhaps more effort and proper teamwork, clear the content. But that's raids.

Yoshida has said they make dungeons to be accessible above all else. Yes, even "expert" dungeons. This is a quality of life thing, for the sake of players who may lack time in a busy daily schedule or perfect working knowledge of a given job to still be capable of clearing some kind of content. Maybe it takes 20 minutes instead of 15 because your healer isn't DPSing, but then what are your DPS doing (or NOT doing) that makes it take so long, assuming it could still be done in 15 regardless of a healer dealing damage? What is your tank doing to help, if anything?

See, it's easy to say, "well I'm doing all this work and this guy over here. . ." but fact is, IF the content can be done in a short time, and without even factoring in damage from 1 out of 4 players, then it really becomes a question of "where are WE not doing something together that might make this go faster?" Are we not pulling things together well enough to fully utilize aoes? Are we not buffing or using support skills that will increase party dps? Are we using contradictory skills? (DRK uses Blood Price for MP, but the healer starts Holy spamming, for example). Somewhere in there a breakdown happens, and party damage becomes lesser, or unoptimized, and while it's easy to point a finger at one person, remember you have 3 pointing back at you on that same hand.

For the sake of a good run, why not simply communicate? No really, it's that easy. "Hey MCH, I'm gonna pull all these enemies to this point and use [X tank cooldown]. Put out a Bishop and Hypercharge it for the BLM. Healer, don't worry about healing me unless I drop to [% HP]. Go ahead and Cleric Stance, then you and the DPS go full ham on the deeps, deal?". . . Sure, maybe no one has the time or wants to bother saying all that, but a little communication for team synergy goes a long way, AND guarantees you're all on the same page. And it sure beats raging over what you want someone to do, but didn't say anything about.

[Niwashi]

How can you savor the exact same run everyday ?
I mean at the begining ok, why not. After a certain amount of time in the patch, doing a 20+ min expert run is just a pain.

If you can't savor it everyday, then you shouldn't be running it everyday. This game has a huge wealth of available content. If you like the game at all, you should be able to find something in it that you actually enjoy. That's what you should be running, not something you consider a pain.

This is a game. It's whole purpose for existing is to enjoy it. You're doing yourself a huge disservice if you ignore that to just plow through boring junk instead. And if you then expect other players to cater to the fact that you don't even want to be there, then you're doing them a disservice as well.

Now, there are plenty of other reasons for liking to go fast that are perfectly valid. If you enjoy the thrill of challenging yourself to see how fast you can down a boss, or how many adds you can take on at once, then great, let's go for it. But if you just want to get it over with because you don't even want to be there, then you shouldn't be there. Let someone who wants to do the run take your place and everyone involved will be better off for it.


When I'm healing (which admittedly, I haven't done for a while) I stance dance, seeing how best to interweave healing and DPS together, but I certainly don't do it in order to get out of there quicker. I do it because the game is a lot more fun that way (especially on easy content, where healing alone would be boring).

[Musashidon]

Once again, do you seriously believe dungeons were designed where healers can literally AFK for 80% of them? Omitting a third of your abilities isn't efficient play. I'm not playing Dragoon efficiently if I stop using Heavy Thrust, Battle Litany or BotD. If you want to only do the bare minimum expected of you, why shouldn't you queue with friends instead of forcing three other random people to accept you can be arsed to do better?

believe? i know they were. it was said, there is no doubt they are made so easy that the whole group can watch netflix barely doing any real rotation.

because in the end i am not the one forcing my own standards on anyone it is you.

if people meet the req to complete a dungeon that is all that matters after that it's all opinion on how someone should be.