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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciwolf View Post
    Healers are expected to DPS

    Tanks are expected to DPS

    But DPS doesn't have to worry about healing nor tanking.

    Interesting game mechanic.

    Also, who talks in a guildhest?
    A good DPS offers utility. Eye for an Eye or Virus, for example, to aid in damage control. Shadowalker to transfer enmity, mantra to give healers more umph during intense healing moments, to name a few more.
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    Last edited by Zigabar; 01-12-2017 at 08:19 AM.
    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriKitae View Post
    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    A good DPS offers utility. Eye for an Eye or Virus, for example, to aid in damage control.
    and when was the last time a DPS got called out for not doing eye for an eye/ virus in a GUILDHEST?

    Also, big news, healers have to do those too!!!!
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    because we needed another healer dps thread....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikaeus_The_Lunarch View Post
    because we needed another healer dps thread....
    yes because talking about glamour restrictions and korean server merges are much more interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.
    It has a lot of questionable implications however.

    If your role is all that matters, it means that it is perfectly fine for a tank to stop doing attacking once aggro is established. It means that DPS have no obligation to use any of their support skills ever. And it says it's alright to go completely AFK as scholar if the fairy can handle the healing, because healing is your only responsibility and the bot can do that "with decent effect".

    I find such behavior undesirable and consequently cannot support the notion that ones role is all that matters. I do not care what the devs have in mind when they design content either - they also advised us to be careful with pulls in Xelphatol, so apparently they aren't the most connected with the reality of their game. And if healer DPS is not something the devs consider, the decision to lower the accuracy caps for casual content is truly baffling, considering nobody but healers has been affected by that change at all.

    Standing around and doing nothing productive - or worse, being actually AFK - IMO is not acceptable, whether someone's primary role is fulfilled in the process or not. Purposely not using out of role abilities IMO is a scumbag move as well - Imagine asking for mana song to salvage a rocky group and the bard just goes:"Nope, my role is to deal DPS and that reduces my DPS. We'll just wipe instead, git gut at your own role." Yeah no, that bard would rightfully be told off, but that's pretty much what the person you quoted said right there, including the git gut part even. I don't even...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciwolf View Post
    and when was the last time a DPS got called out for not doing eye for an eye/ virus in a GUILDHEST?

    Also, big news, healers have to do those too!!!!
    Guildhest or no, your statement is still wrong. Good DPS don't just DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sciwolf View Post
    yes because talking about korean server merges are much more interesting
    I'd say that's a lot more interesting of a read than another healer DPS thread. But you would know that, if you actually read it.
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    Last edited by Zigabar; 01-12-2017 at 08:28 AM.
    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriKitae View Post
    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Considering that just tanking normally means doing some form of DPS by default, which also generates aggro (more than normal with the usual rotations because of design, what you said previously is pretty silly.
    k i guess that wasnt lowered down enough, lemme try with an example

    you are tanking in defiance mode as warrior then suddenly you feel the urge to beat your drg on parser and switch to deliverance right when the boss smash your face with a tank buster and you drop dead on the floor.
    Dont do that. I cant go lower than this, there are countless examples where tanks wiped the whole group because they tried to dps instead of tanking. And i know this sounds extremely new to some people but DPS does not mean Tanking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    So you're basically saying "don't be bad", because good tanks can do all those things while contributing significant DPS.
    just sayin dont fuckup your group because you want to parse better than your whateverdpsinstertnamehere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Guildhest or no, your statement is still wrong. Good DPS don't just DPS.

    No one calls out dps for not being good in a guildhest. This kind of shit either happens to healers or tanks. Duty finder is infested with absolute garbage dps who have no idea how to do their rotations and no one gives a damn. But a less than perfect healer or tank and omg everyone loses their shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciwolf View Post
    and when was the last time a DPS got called out for not doing eye for an eye/ virus in a GUILDHEST?

    Also, big news, healers have to do those too!!!!
    It isn't their fault content outside Savage and Extreme primals is so piss easy, you generally don't notice a DPS cheesing mechanics or eating an aoe for positionals. I know full well my capabilities on Dragoon, and if I'm about to pull aggro on trash, I'm already looking to Keen Flurry, Bloodbath and Second Wind because if I do take that mob, I should be prepared to handle it.

    The reason healers catch more slack is it's far more noticeable. A Ninja not using Goad isn't standing around doing nothing. Meanwhile, I have had Hullbreaker and Xelphatol runs where the healer literally jumped around the map because they had nothing to do. Ya tend to notice that more.
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