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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS. Sure, healer DPS is a bonus, it's nice to have and a great healer can do it, but it is not, has not been and will never be mandatory. Nor will it ever be OK to insult healers who don't add much dps, as long as they are keeping everyone from dying, they are fulfilling the role we need from them.

    With regard to the original post and topic. Reporting a healer for not doing damage in group content is more or less the same as reporting the Sun for not being the moon.

    I mean seriously, your role is a dead give away to what you are supposed to be doing. If you are doing that with decent effect, there are no grounds for a report of any kind.

    Lets see.
    DDs are meant to deal damage, so their DPS is king.
    Tanks are meant to keep aggro, and that is done through a combination of specific hate generating skills and hate multipliers on regular attacks, which naturally deal damage.
    Healers are meant to heal, remove status effects and provide some buffing to the party. Can they deal some damage? Sure, but it's not part of the role they fulfill in the party, the skills that they use for healing removing status effects and buffing are targeted at players and naturally they do no damage to the enemy.

    One other point. DDs and tanks pay attention to the enemies only, that is their focus. a healer's focus is the rest of the party. Anyone demanding that healers also do damage is in effect saying that the healer has to do two jobs, and pay attention to twice as much as anyone else does. Perhaps those DDs demanding that healers also DPS should take a look at their own damage output before asking healers to compensate for their (or their fellow DDs) lack of skill.
    This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.
    It has a lot of questionable implications however.

    If your role is all that matters, it means that it is perfectly fine for a tank to stop doing attacking once aggro is established. It means that DPS have no obligation to use any of their support skills ever. And it says it's alright to go completely AFK as scholar if the fairy can handle the healing, because healing is your only responsibility and the bot can do that "with decent effect".

    I find such behavior undesirable and consequently cannot support the notion that ones role is all that matters. I do not care what the devs have in mind when they design content either - they also advised us to be careful with pulls in Xelphatol, so apparently they aren't the most connected with the reality of their game. And if healer DPS is not something the devs consider, the decision to lower the accuracy caps for casual content is truly baffling, considering nobody but healers has been affected by that change at all.

    Standing around and doing nothing productive - or worse, being actually AFK - IMO is not acceptable, whether someone's primary role is fulfilled in the process or not. Purposely not using out of role abilities IMO is a scumbag move as well - Imagine asking for mana song to salvage a rocky group and the bard just goes:"Nope, my role is to deal DPS and that reduces my DPS. We'll just wipe instead, git gut at your own role." Yeah no, that bard would rightfully be told off, but that's pretty much what the person you quoted said right there, including the git gut part even. I don't even...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    It has a lot of questionable implications however.
    There were no implications in Kosmos' statement, though I can understand how interpretations may differ. More than anything, perform your primary role properly before trying to perform anything secondary. The point about tanks not needing to continue attacking after establishing aggro is invalid as we all know it's not enough to just establish, but maintain aggro. That is why some of their weaponskills generate enmity, and why damage itself contributes. For DPS support, content is designed in such a way that if say, your DRG never uses Battle Litany, you can still complete it. If it were required, then that content would require a DRG be in the party, always. Or perhaps in the absence of a BRD for Mage's Ballad, healers still have Shroud/Aetherflow/Luminiferous Aether if and when needed.

    Semantics at best, I know. But fact remains healers don't HAVE to DPS. The community however has established it as above-basic level gameplay for healers, and good teamwork and etiquette besides. Still, performing your primary role PROPERLY comes first; if you can do that, or where said role is not applicable or needed (i.e. no one needs healing, or the enemy has no aggro table), then yes, deal damage. But healers - by the design and standard of content - do not HAVE to DPS.
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    Last edited by ThirdChild_ZKI; 01-13-2017 at 03:59 AM.