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  1. #71
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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Jenova
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS. Sure, healer DPS is a bonus, it's nice to have and a great healer can do it, but it is not, has not been and will never be mandatory. Nor will it ever be OK to insult healers who don't add much dps, as long as they are keeping everyone from dying, they are fulfilling the role we need from them.

    With regard to the original post and topic. Reporting a healer for not doing damage in group content is more or less the same as reporting the Sun for not being the moon.

    I mean seriously, your role is a dead give away to what you are supposed to be doing. If you are doing that with decent effect, there are no grounds for a report of any kind.

    Lets see.
    DDs are meant to deal damage, so their DPS is king.
    Tanks are meant to keep aggro, and that is done through a combination of specific hate generating skills and hate multipliers on regular attacks, which naturally deal damage.
    Healers are meant to heal, remove status effects and provide some buffing to the party. Can they deal some damage? Sure, but it's not part of the role they fulfill in the party, the skills that they use for healing removing status effects and buffing are targeted at players and naturally they do no damage to the enemy.

    One other point. DDs and tanks pay attention to the enemies only, that is their focus. a healer's focus is the rest of the party. Anyone demanding that healers also do damage is in effect saying that the healer has to do two jobs, and pay attention to twice as much as anyone else does. Perhaps those DDs demanding that healers also DPS should take a look at their own damage output before asking healers to compensate for their (or their fellow DDs) lack of skill.
    This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.
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  2. #72
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    Miitan's Avatar
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    Puchichi Puchi
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Train88 View Post
    I got reported because I didn't do damage, as a healer.

    I've been healing a9-12 normal regularly and the number one cause of wipes is the other healer does damage and puts all the healer pressure on me.

    I do not dps as a healer. It is a choice I make.

    Now I was doing a guildhest on an alt because i'm really bored with this game anyway and some dark knight goes and tells me to dps. I took it less than well and I told him off. Then he went off to tell me I was getting reported and proceeded to kill the stupid turtle.

    I am not having a good day.
    So in a situation where you don't even need to heal, you blow up on him because he expects you to not just sit around twiddling your thumbs?

    Cool story bro.
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  3. #73
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Train88 View Post
    I do not dps as a healer. It is a choice I make.
    This is a selfish choice and not a fantastic one to make if you want to be an asset to your party.

    For anyone wishing to continue the interminable healer DPS debate, we have more than one lively and over-long thread running in the Healer subforum.

    My short answers are as follows...

    1. Reporting people for not playing exactly the way you want them to is silly; reporting people for obstructive gameplay or abusive behavior is another matter. Getting into a fight because someone offered criticism isn't necessary the best option.

    2. Healers who choose to be idle despite knowing how to play, knowing the fight, and being able to meet the healing requirement without difficulty are playing in a lazy and selfish manner. Great healers know when to heal and when to DPS, and they flip stances constantly throughout a fight as the situation develops.
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  4. #74
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    Tietra Elm
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    Phoenix
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    I main a healer and when times i play a dd, healers i get rarely deal even a single dot.. they just jump around and heal every 12secs or so. Like what in the world? Do something helpful; whenever i go as a healer in a dungeon, i always press as much buttons as a dd- i help. Something others should do aswell. Use thise skills given to you, because youre being useless to the team. The reason I sometimes force myself to go as heal, is because i want our party to being progressing quick.. it's already a nuisance to be doing the same dungeons again and again. Reducing the time inside by 5+mins can make your group smile. Stop being a hindrance, you chose a healer to support your team- then support your team by helping them defeat monsters quicker, and press as much buttons as the dd and play in team.

    i understand if you're a newbie, i would even gladly do every corners and defeat every enemies in the dungeon with you, but someone with 2-3+ level 60s and is just standing around? please no.
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    Last edited by Ralts; 01-12-2017 at 07:15 AM.

  5. #75
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    Naraku_Diabolos's Avatar
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    Hayley Westenra
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    Ninja Lv 100
    I only think that healers need to DPS right when a monster is being a threat because of what type of creature it is and what attacks it has (AOE in cone, box, or circles). That way it's to quickly kill the target that will be a threat. Or when fighting a dungeon or raid boss and it is very low on health and everyone is healthy; or when a dungeon or raid boss is low on health but is going to unleash a devastating attack such as Odin.
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  6. #76
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    Healers and Tanks should not be forced to dps.
    So you're saying a tank can just sit around and not DPS at all so they can't aggro? Sure, why not?
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  7. #77
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    Dark Brilliance
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    So you're saying a tank can just sit around and not DPS at all so they can't aggro? Sure, why not?
    well that is a dumb way to put my words isnt it?
    im saying that tank shouldnt drop tanking/keeping hate/staying alive to do more dps. Is that easy enough for you to understand now?
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  8. #78
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    well that is a dumb way to put my words isnt it?
    im saying that tank shouldnt drop tanking/keeping hate/staying alive to do more dps. Is that easy enough for you to understand now?
    So you're basically saying "don't be bad", because good tanks can do all those things while contributing significant DPS.
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  9. #79
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    Tor Kara
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Healers are expected to DPS

    Tanks are expected to DPS

    But DPS doesn't have to worry about healing nor tanking.

    Interesting game mechanic.

    Also, who talks in a guildhest?
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  10. #80
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkB View Post
    well that is a dumb way to put my words isnt it?
    im saying that tank shouldnt drop tanking/keeping hate/staying alive to do more dps. Is that easy enough for you to understand now?
    Considering that just tanking normally means doing some form of DPS by default, which also generates aggro (more than normal with the usual rotations because of design, what you said previously is pretty silly.
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