[DEV REQUEST] Please make the Hellhound Obtainable By More than Just the Top 100 PVP

[Nirokun]

What's wrong with people obtaining a reward as long as they go through the same effort as the ones that got it before? It'd be a good idea to actually think about future seasons when it comes to a good reward system.
Let's say future Feast seasons just add onto the possible reward pool, and players who meet the conditions receive a voucher (like Lambdafish mentioned), which they can turn in for a reward of their choosing. They could pick the current season's reward, or one of the previous ones. Players keeping up with the seasons will be able to pick the latest reward, while players who want a specific reward can still obtain the one they're after.

There's no such thing as "the same effort" in this content. Players change, motivation waxes and wanes. The difficulty changes as the competitors change. You cannot go back to, say, the 1896 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece and re-live the experience. It's gone. You cannot win a medal there because the competition is gone, the entrants have long since passed away.

In the same way, you cannot go back to Season One and "go through the same effort". I know for a fact that the #1 player from S1 Primal has since transferred, he was a menace. You cannot play with him, or against him. Without him, the difficulty level is different. The reward structure offers distinction--I can look at a player, proud of their PVP glamour gear, and discern what their general placement is, and in what season. Being able to just "pick" a reward, regardless of season, makes that aspect meaningless. There's also something exciting about having a trophy that exists in only 1/10/100 copies on a data center. That makes them really stand out.

People are upset about PVE accomplishments being reduced to nothing with each successive patch/nerf cycle. Somehow, others use this as an example to do the same to PVP, which just makes more people upset. Why take the awe and glory out of winning a trophy?

[Yukiko]

Well... SE tries to be cheap, not smart.
It would be smart to have our GC chocobo look different depending on our pvp Ranking!
No, not with barding because that would be just an item again... i really meant automatic transforming into "whatever"!
More feathers, large wings, glowing, whatever... even transforming into car, bike or any other mount would be possible!

I will not talk about the design here, its the system that i like to pinpoint:
You have "one" mount representing pvp ranking and not for each ranking a new mount...

To be honest: There is only one reason why SE is doing that -> We will see those "exclusives" sooner or later in Mogstation and SE will milk our money...
I am sure they thought about that when they designed it that way...

I think it was something like:
Q: How can we get more players to pvp?
A: Lets take what they currently like most in this game, mounts or pets collecting!
Q: Ok, how many players should get it?
A: Lets give it the winners, just like turnaments in real life!
Q: We cant do that, they will whine.
A: Fine, then give it to the first 100 and if they still dislike it we can hand out it later on Mogstation!
Q: Good idea, that way we can get some extra money too. Our marketing team will like it

Currently i miss someone in their team that focus on QA... someone who take what is given and try to make it better, someone with ideas and a vision!
Example (please dont nail me down on it, its just an example to show you what i mean with QA):
Problem: We have inventory issues
QA: Turns out players are not selling unused items (keeping them for glamour)
Idea: letting more Items Stack (maybe even weapons and gear - you can change weapon based on what you collected, number represent how many different you have)

Problem: We have issues with server space
QA: Turns out players are collecting a lot items (carrying them)
Idea: reducing overall currencies (connecting one currency to a content counter - how oftn you was doing the content)

[Nezerius]

There's no such thing as "the same effort" in this content. Players change, motivation waxes and wanes. The difficulty changes as the competitors change. You cannot go back to, say, the 1896 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece and re-live the experience. It's gone. You cannot win a medal there because the competition is gone, the entrants have long since passed away.

The difficulty changes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll become easier, as the competition remains. Unless you're saying the most recent Olympics had less competition than the one in 1896.

In the same way, you cannot go back to Season One and "go through the same effort". I know for a fact that the #1 player from S1 Primal has since transferred, he was a menace. You cannot play with him, or against him. Without him, the difficulty level is different. The reward structure offers distinction--I can look at a player, proud of their PVP glamour gear, and discern what their general placement is, and in what season. Being able to just "pick" a reward, regardless of season, makes that aspect meaningless. There's also something exciting about having a trophy that exists in only 1/10/100 copies on a data center. That makes them really stand out.

So there's 200 guys in your datacenter (not even server) that are running around with a Feast rank 11-100 glamour set. Will you be waking up in the middle of the night because 10 more players obtain it, if they so choose to go for that reward over the new thing?
Bonus question: How do you differentiate between season 1 and season 2 rank 11-100 players? (hint: you can't)


As for the effort thing:
Season 3: Player A competes for the top 100. Player A succeeds and obtains a mount.
Season 7: Player B competes for the top 100. Player B succeeds and obtains a voucher. He can get the season 7 reward, or a previous season's reward.
Player B is happy about this, as he really wanted the mount from season 3, but he didn't play the game during that time.
Player A probably doesn't care, because his super rare snowflake mount will likely retain that status until the servers shut down.

Player B competed for the top 100, just like Player A. He might not have faced the exact same opponents, but I'm sure the ones he did face were likely equal in strength. Hence, he went through the same effort.

Why take the awe and glory out of winning a trophy?

Last I checked, no one ever talked about changing the rank 1 reward, which is a literal trophy. But perhaps they could do something that'd make rank 1 players a bit more clear to see, perhaps a different trim to their character's unitframe?

[TiaHariberux3]

Bonus question: How do you differentiate between season 1 and season 2 rank 11-100 players? (hint: you can't)

(hint: you can) The gear from season 1 and 2 look different & its place 1-100 gear not just 11-100.

[Nezerius]

(hint: you can) The gear from season 1 and 2 look different & its place 1-100 gear not just 11-100.

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

[Aviars]

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

Someone tells you how they are different and you get upset. Guess it wasn't the answer you were looking for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TiaHariberux3]

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

"slightly" maybe but the colour scheme is so different that I prefer my season 2 coat over my season 1 coat. Saying there is no way to tell the difference is simply just false.

[Nezerius]

"slightly" maybe but the colour scheme is so different that I prefer my season 2 coat over my season 1 coat. Saying there is no way to tell the difference is simply just false.

This is about distinguishing rank 11-100 Season 1 players from rank 11-100 Season 2 players, which includes the non-PvPers that see PvPers running around with those sets. Are you saying everyone will be able to spot those slightly differences right away?
In comparison, players will easily spot the difference between a normal Gordias/Midas set and its savage version, due to the fact that the savage version can be dyed (despite the fact that there's no differences in the actual model).

But the fact that you latched unto such a small part of my post just validates the rest of it.

[TiaHariberux3]

In comparison, players will easily spot the difference between a normal Gordias/Midas set and its savage version, due to the fact that the savage version can be dyed (despite the fact that there's no differences in the actual model).

But the fact that you latched unto such a small part of my post just validates the rest of it.

So you saying the difference of the savage and normal version which is just if its dyeable or not is easier to notice than the difference between s1 and s2 gear which not only have different details but also different colour schemes? Logic? Also the rest of your other post had nothing to do with what I said so yea didnt bothered to reply to that only pointed ur wrong statement out that u made earlier.

For you both coats dyed in same colour imo more easily to see the difference than some gordias/midas gear.

[Aviars]

It should also be noted that the plate armor aspect of the sets are completely different colors....

So there you go.