[DEV REQUEST] Please make the Hellhound Obtainable By More than Just the Top 100 PVP

[Vaeria]

Just like your post seems to be ignorant of some of the suggestions made. Some of the suggestions are just to have the time exclusive part removed, while still keeping the effort to obtain it.
For example: imagine if the A4S mount only dropped when running it at minimum ilvl. Someone 2 years from now would still be able to obtain it, but would have to go through the same effort, instead of facerolling it in unsynced.

Again, no offense but your above logic completely invalidates the phrases'deadline' and 'limited time offer'. If theres no sense of urgency to get the reward since Itll always be around for any slacker, why not just fart around and not do feast til next year, then get up and go get it? This particular reward has lit a fire under alotta peoples asses simply because its a limited time window. That also has the element of making it far more desirable than just a mount that can be brought from Mogstation for example.

[Nezerius]

Again, no offense but your above logic completely invalidates the phrases'deadline' and 'limited time offer'. If theres no sense of urgency to get the reward since Itll always be around for any slacker, why not just fart around and not do feast til next year, then get up and go get it? This particular reward has lit a fire under alotta peoples asses simply because its a limited time window. That also has the element of making it far more desirable than just a mount that can be brought from Mogstation for example.

What's wrong with people obtaining a reward as long as they go through the same effort as the ones that got it before? It'd be a good idea to actually think about future seasons when it comes to a good reward system.
Let's say future Feast seasons just add onto the possible reward pool, and players who meet the conditions receive a voucher (like Lambdafish mentioned), which they can turn in for a reward of their choosing. They could pick the current season's reward, or one of the previous ones. Players keeping up with the seasons will be able to pick the latest reward, while players who want a specific reward can still obtain the one they're after.

[Nirokun]

What's wrong with people obtaining a reward as long as they go through the same effort as the ones that got it before? It'd be a good idea to actually think about future seasons when it comes to a good reward system.
Let's say future Feast seasons just add onto the possible reward pool, and players who meet the conditions receive a voucher (like Lambdafish mentioned), which they can turn in for a reward of their choosing. They could pick the current season's reward, or one of the previous ones. Players keeping up with the seasons will be able to pick the latest reward, while players who want a specific reward can still obtain the one they're after.

There's no such thing as "the same effort" in this content. Players change, motivation waxes and wanes. The difficulty changes as the competitors change. You cannot go back to, say, the 1896 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece and re-live the experience. It's gone. You cannot win a medal there because the competition is gone, the entrants have long since passed away.

In the same way, you cannot go back to Season One and "go through the same effort". I know for a fact that the #1 player from S1 Primal has since transferred, he was a menace. You cannot play with him, or against him. Without him, the difficulty level is different. The reward structure offers distinction--I can look at a player, proud of their PVP glamour gear, and discern what their general placement is, and in what season. Being able to just "pick" a reward, regardless of season, makes that aspect meaningless. There's also something exciting about having a trophy that exists in only 1/10/100 copies on a data center. That makes them really stand out.

People are upset about PVE accomplishments being reduced to nothing with each successive patch/nerf cycle. Somehow, others use this as an example to do the same to PVP, which just makes more people upset. Why take the awe and glory out of winning a trophy?

[Nezerius]

There's no such thing as "the same effort" in this content. Players change, motivation waxes and wanes. The difficulty changes as the competitors change. You cannot go back to, say, the 1896 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece and re-live the experience. It's gone. You cannot win a medal there because the competition is gone, the entrants have long since passed away.

The difficulty changes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll become easier, as the competition remains. Unless you're saying the most recent Olympics had less competition than the one in 1896.

In the same way, you cannot go back to Season One and "go through the same effort". I know for a fact that the #1 player from S1 Primal has since transferred, he was a menace. You cannot play with him, or against him. Without him, the difficulty level is different. The reward structure offers distinction--I can look at a player, proud of their PVP glamour gear, and discern what their general placement is, and in what season. Being able to just "pick" a reward, regardless of season, makes that aspect meaningless. There's also something exciting about having a trophy that exists in only 1/10/100 copies on a data center. That makes them really stand out.

So there's 200 guys in your datacenter (not even server) that are running around with a Feast rank 11-100 glamour set. Will you be waking up in the middle of the night because 10 more players obtain it, if they so choose to go for that reward over the new thing?
Bonus question: How do you differentiate between season 1 and season 2 rank 11-100 players? (hint: you can't)


As for the effort thing:
Season 3: Player A competes for the top 100. Player A succeeds and obtains a mount.
Season 7: Player B competes for the top 100. Player B succeeds and obtains a voucher. He can get the season 7 reward, or a previous season's reward.
Player B is happy about this, as he really wanted the mount from season 3, but he didn't play the game during that time.
Player A probably doesn't care, because his super rare snowflake mount will likely retain that status until the servers shut down.

Player B competed for the top 100, just like Player A. He might not have faced the exact same opponents, but I'm sure the ones he did face were likely equal in strength. Hence, he went through the same effort.

Why take the awe and glory out of winning a trophy?

Last I checked, no one ever talked about changing the rank 1 reward, which is a literal trophy. But perhaps they could do something that'd make rank 1 players a bit more clear to see, perhaps a different trim to their character's unitframe?

[TiaHariberux3]

Bonus question: How do you differentiate between season 1 and season 2 rank 11-100 players? (hint: you can't)

(hint: you can) The gear from season 1 and 2 look different & its place 1-100 gear not just 11-100.

[Nezerius]

(hint: you can) The gear from season 1 and 2 look different & its place 1-100 gear not just 11-100.

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

[Aviars]

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

Someone tells you how they are different and you get upset. Guess it wasn't the answer you were looking for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TiaHariberux3]

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

"slightly" maybe but the colour scheme is so different that I prefer my season 2 coat over my season 1 coat. Saying there is no way to tell the difference is simply just false.

[Nirokun]

So there's 200 guys in your datacenter (not even server) that are running around with a Feast rank 11-100 glamour set. Will you be waking up in the middle of the night because 10 more players obtain it, if they so choose to go for that reward over the new thing?
Bonus question: How do you differentiate between season 1 and season 2 rank 11-100 players? (hint: you can't)

Last I checked, no one ever talked about changing the rank 1 reward, which is a literal trophy. But perhaps they could do something that'd make rank 1 players a bit more clear to see, perhaps a different trim to their character's unitframe?

You've been corrected multiple times about being completely wrong about these rewards. I saw it before I went to bed, and by the time I got up, you were corrected, then you backpedaled, then just hit "agree to disagree" because you were caught being wrong but couldnt accept it.

When I say trophy, I mean all of the top 100 rewards, they're trophies for placing in the top 100. I don't mean just the first place reward (that is nowhere as easily visible as gear or a mount). But I can see how that would be unclear to you.

(hint: why I left out the top 10) But enjoy the slightly different trimmings and slightly different belt on the two sets, I guess.

Next time I see someone wearing it, I'll know their exact rank in whichever previous season (without looking it up).

I don't know how a big protruding golden wolf head is easily confused for a flat bronze-y eagle. This is probably the most distinguishing feature between the sets (there are others, but much more subtle).

This is about distinguishing rank 11-100 Season 1 players from rank 11-100 Season 2 players, which includes the non-PvPers that see PvPers running around with those sets. Are you saying everyone will be able to spot those slightly differences right away?
In comparison, players will easily spot the difference between a normal Gordias/Midas set and its savage version, due to the fact that the savage version can be dyed (despite the fact that there's no differences in the actual model).

But the fact that you latched unto such a small part of my post just validates the rest of it.

Just because you had no idea there were 2 sets (of which there are 2 variations for solo and party ranked), doesn't mean nobody else will. Gordias/Midas normal/savage is identical if not dyed... PVP sets have different themes/styles/colors, and dye differently. My S1 Solo coat dyed does not look the same as a S1 Party coat, even if the scheme is the same. I'm sorry you don't know about the rewards you're trying to obtain out of season.

Y'know, if you had started with that screenshot right away, instead of posting on how the sets are rank 1-100 instead of 10-100, this could've been avoided.

Although I still won't agree with this. I still think it's easier to see the color difference between normal/savage Gordias/Midas gear, than it is to see the color difference between the S1 and S2 Feast gear. But I suppose that's just something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

"This could have been avoided", you mean, where you show everyone you don't know what you're talking about? I've been in Feast all night and I can clearly tell who's wearing S1 and who's wearing S2, it's clear as day.

I felt it was important to reply to you, who was so sure they were right, and we were wrong.

[Nezerius]

You've been corrected once about being wrong about these rewards. I saw it before I went to bed, and by the time I got up, you were corrected, then you further questioned about the differences, then accepted you were wrong given the proper evidence.

Fixed that for you. The "agree to disagree" part didn't have anything to do with it, and was towards the opinion of it being easier to spot the differences between the two sets. TiaHariberu found it easier to spot the differences between the Feast ones, I found it easier to spot the differences between the normal and savage ones.

When I say trophy, I mean all of the top 100 rewards, they're trophies for placing in the top 100. I don't mean just the first place reward (that is nowhere as easily visible as gear or a mount). But I can see how that would be unclear to you.

It was a play on words, but it seems humor is lost on you. You'll probably see this as backpedaling though.

I don't know how a big protruding golden wolf head is easily confused for a flat bronze-y eagle. This is probably the most distinguishing feature between the sets (there are others, but much more subtle).

Sure, if you zoom in to actually check it out. I already pointed out that the belt was different, in the previous page (are you gonna nitpick that I used the word "slightly", now?). Don't have to zoom in to see that someone's wearing a Gordias/Midas set in an entirely different color.

Just because you had no idea there were 2 sets (of which there are 2 variations for solo and party ranked), doesn't mean nobody else will.

I pointed out that there were minor differences between the two sets, obviously indicating that there were two sets. Did you even read my posts?

Gordias/Midas normal/savage is identical if not dyed... PVP sets have different themes/styles/colors, and dye differently. My S1 Solo coat dyed does not look the same as a S1 Party coat, even if the scheme is the same.

The main point to the savage gear, when it comes to aesthetics, is obviously to dye it. Who wouldn't dye it? It'd be like saying "Yea, all the S1 party coats look the same when not dyed"

"This could have been avoided", you mean, where you show everyone you don't know what you're talking about? I've been in Feast all night and I can clearly tell who's wearing S1 and who's wearing S2, it's clear as day.

"This could have been avoided" in the sense that multiple replies could've been avoided had TiaHariberu posted those screenshots right away. Y'know, since I'd have instantly agreed that I was wrong, instead of further questioning it. But I know it's shocking for you to see that I can agree to being wrong.

I felt it was important to reply to you, who was so sure they were right, and we were wrong.

You felt it was important to latch onto a part of my post where I happened to be wrong, seemingly ignoring the part where I talked about competition differences. Considering you don't have anything on that, I'm going to assume that I was completely right on that part. Thank you for your indirect validation of that.