Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Reika]

the traits as in properties...

and provoke is well behind heavy stabbing stuff currently.

And we already have botters(what's left of the community anyway) and people are already leaving. It's like trying to convince people would to skip town when everyone is on the road out already.

Not sure how an automated attack would help botters. Nothing differs pressing macro 1 every 10-seconds to a bot script. Heck bot scripts would be infinitely easy no matter what skills you stick in. WoW bots could beat you in a PvP, because they have close to zero lag time in cooldown management.

Heavy stab does not have as much Eminity gain as you would believe. Heavy Slash beats it, and costs as much stamina as Provoke, Sentinel, Aegis Boon, Deflection, Disorient, etc.

Why don't we just ask them to make this game just like WoW and Rift (both are exactly alike) since so many people have to bring up WoW all the time when comparing. Let us bring the entire immature player population over while they are at it. Make it a game all the lazy douche bags love to infest.

Lack of auto attack gives FFXIV a more into an action-based combat system other MMO's lack. To complain about spamming means to complain about every MMO every created. In WoW and Rift you spam instant skills with only a .5-1sec global cooldown and short cooldowns like 5 or 6 seconds, In Aion you spam chain skills, so on and so forth. In sense, they are still 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 (the current for Paladin, Rogue, Death Knight, blah blah). FFXIV just has you spamming in a way you wont do any damage unless you're awake.

[Honz]

I like the current battle system, but it could use some tweaks.

Introduce a haste like spell to conjurers or a passive haste trait to any DoW/M. The stamina bar works very well with the current BR/SC system. If adding auto-attack meant removing normal attacks (eg. spirit dart, light shot, heavy strike, etc.) they would have to revamp the BR system as well since normal attacks play a big part in them.

[kukurumei]

Lack of auto attack gives FFXIV a more into an action-based combat system other MMO's lack. To complain about spamming means to complain about every MMO every created. In WoW and Rift you spam instant skills with only a .5-1sec global cooldown and short cooldowns like 5 or 6 seconds, In Aion you spam chain skills, so on and so forth. In sense, they are still 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 (the current for Paladin, Rogue, Death Knight, blah blah). FFXIV just has you spamming in a way you wont do any damage unless you're awake.

No I can afk ff14 just fine with macros, it doesn't take that much skill, and it surely doesn't help that it's shallow. The problem with your take is that those are PvP oriented game and FF14 is PvE oriented games.

let's face it AIs are stupid. All it would take me is, 11245112 and it's done. Macro help some of the more easier combinations and it's more or less a done deal.

The other games of WoW origin, no not all of them are 11241 but at least they are pvp oriented so that people can actually "feel" the need to hone hand eye coordinations. Thats why they can jump around dodge and move like idiots because the opponent is not an AI and have the ability to disrupt actions.

None of that exist in FF14. No AI can take the place of actually opponent that makes spam less spammy. They're AI. MMO AI no less.

And Aion...heh it's funny you mentioned the most resent let down of MMO community.

I like the current battle system, but it could use some tweaks.

Introduce a haste like spell to conjurers or a passive haste trait to any DoW/M. The stamina bar works very well with the current BR/SC system. If adding auto-attack meant removing normal attacks (eg. spirit dart, light shot, heavy strike, etc.) they would have to revamp the BR system as well since normal attacks play a big part in them.

Then we're in luck, people aren't thrilled with BR anyway.

[Reika]

No I can afk ff14 just fine with macros, it doesn't take that much skill, and it surely doesn't help that it's shallow. The problem with your take is that those are PvP oriented game and FF14 is PvE oriented games.

let's face it AIs are stupid. All it would take me is, 11245112 and it's done. Macro help some of the more easier combinations and it's more or less a done deal.

The other games of WoW origin, no not all of them are 11241 but at least they are pvp oriented so that people can actually "feel" the need to hone hand eye coordinations. Thats why they can jump around dodge and move like idiots because the opponent is not an AI and have the ability to disrupt actions.

None of that exist in FF14. No AI can take the place of actually opponent that makes spam less spammy. They're AI. MMO AI no less.

And Aion...heh it's funny you mentioned the most resent let down of MMO community.




Then we're in luck, people aren't thrilled with BR anyway.

Who seriously makes macros so they can do battle in their sleep? If i find one of them in my behest I'm kicking them out...

[kukurumei]

Who seriously makes macros so they can do battle in their sleep? If i find one of them in my behest I'm kicking them out...

Even slimming down to 8 man, behest is still as easy as pressing macros or worse, just get a key sequence program which is a mini bot script. Logitech even provides those straight from the HW side.

Did you truly have a blindfold over your eyes? It's been going on since forever. Doesn't take much to realize pressing buttons really fast over and over again, is...programable.