Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[RobbieH]

Umm, you do realise that the formulas for 3.2 and 3.4 were the same? The reason for WD and Dets increased values were due to the increase in main stat. Also you do realise I posted the stat weights for NIN before Dervy this patch and if you look at it there's barely any difference and that has more to do with the way we get them? If there were any changes to the crit formulas I would probably be one of the first people to know, especially if it's Dervy.

Saw now that Ariyala had updated the weights, they were still the old ones for me due to being saved locally since before, resetting the values changed it to the current ones.

EDIT:
Here's the formula that has been used since Dervy came out with the weights in 3.0, that is for 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4:
((1+(WeaponDamage)*0.0432544)*((Dexterity)*0.1027246)*(1+(Determination)/7290)-2)
For a crit it's ((1+(WeaponDamage)*0.0432544)*((Strength)*0.1027246)*(1+(Determination)/7290)-2)*(((Crit-354)/(858*5))+1.45)
The resulting damage is +-5% of that.

Do note that there's a small error of about 1-3 Damage as with the limited tools we have and SEs retarded ways it's impossible to get a 100% accurate formula.

Sorry i don't follow this thread for very long so i couldn't possibly see you posting the weights, i thank you for contributing to the community like that, i really do, and i hope you can keep doing it, since Dervy isn't here anymore we're kinda limited.

If you go back a few pages you'll see i had trouble with the A12S dummy and gave opener to see if people saw something wrong with it.

i later did the test twice on the Dummy, one i finished with 6% health left, and another i finish with 3% Health left, the 6% i had 19% crit chance, the 3% i had 21% crit chance (obviously the total damage increase vary depending if the crit was on Auto Attack/skills/dots).

So i came to the conclusion the crit could be the culprit, so i proceed to check some videos and dps "places".

So i noticed a big difference in how much my crits hit vs how other people crits hit (i always check the buffs too), hence why i started to mention Crit also scales Crit damage and that some people crit for higher than i did.

Sadly i don't have enough gil to buy the HQ crafted gear needed to go to 1100 crit so i could test myself, or i'd have done that and wouldn't bother people here.

Anyway something has to be wrong, i don't think for example, TA crits swing for that much, the video i posted he crit for 6.5k (sadly was the only TA crit i noticed so i mentioned it) with only food, no B4B, IR or other buffs.

I did get past 6k TA myself, but i was boosted by Battle Litany while doing Faust Z.

[Krindor]

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I didn't post them here, as tbh I was just too lazy to find this thread as it's usually on like page 4 or 5. They were posted on reddit so it's not weird if you didn't see them unless you actively visit reddit. Crit does increase damage and chance but not too the large extent that you posted, which was why I corrected it.

Mostly when you look at others and it's higher it's either due to stats, just 1 WD is enough for a 0.9% gain, add dex into that and you get something like 1.5% just from 5 ilvls on a weapon. Add that you have for example bad luck with your hits on the dummy and end up the below average spectrum of the damage, if you are say 1% under average, 400 crit and 5 ilvl lower weapon than somone else who is hitting in the upper 4%, suddenly your TA that is hitting 5.7k which is lower than the other person that is hitting 6.4k. This is why I usually take people posting things from videos with a grain of salt, there's probably a majority that's cherry picked and shouldn't be used to judge your own DPS.