There Is No Dancer (yet)

[cammi]

:'(

I am sure you are fun at parties! All you need to do is bring your Nintendo Switch to the rooftop party and play with all your rooftop buddies.

That said, I agree with ZhaneX. I think this was very carefully planned to have us talking about it, and to keep us debating. That helps keep the hype alive until the next FanFest.

I like the faith you have in me. Wasn't expecting that.

To Kumi.

They are similar due to the way combat works in this game, not because they attack the same. In the trailer she is literally matching the wol blow for blow. The only time you see that in 99% of anything is to show two of the same art but different motivations go at it. In most cases anyway, Like Sonic and Shadow, Ken and Ryu, the list goes on. But lets say she is a dancer.. using punches and kicks...... that looks like what a monk can do... why not give that to a monk? Why copy so much of it to where people would even mistake it to be a monk? Noone mistakes a ninja for a monk, nor a dragoon? No one mistakes a DRK to a warrior. You can make these things stand out while being the same role or whatever. WE just have VERY little information to go on and that's on purpose. But the fact we are even having this debate in the first place is cause whatever she is.. it's too close to monk to the point she looks like one. And just going off that, she would be a crappy class and a waste of resources if she is a different class cause she looks like a monk. And I only say that as people are mistaking her for one.

[Saito_S]

I really don't understand this either, honestly. I have no problem with speculation and yes, it can be fun, but...

I legit fail to see what it is that even makes anyone think that the lady in red is a dancer? Beyond the outfit. When I first watched the trailer, for literally 2 or 3 seconds, I thought, oh, could this be a dancer?

But that went away as SOON as the camera began to zoom in, and we got a decent look at her. And this is why I don't get all this "could be a dancer!!!" fervor: there is absolutely nothing that she does - no single attack, movement, form, anything - that says "This is a dancer. This is NOT an East Asian-style martial artist".

We may yet get dancer. I don't think it's impossible, but the woman in the trailer is in no way confirmation of the class coming to XIV. If we DO get a dancer class, I'd be surprised if it looked/played/felt that similar to Monk, anyway. I'd figure we get something that has far less focus (if any) on hard strikes, and more on pure movement. Of course, we also don't know if it will be DPS or healer (or even tank! In theory we don't know WHAT it will be, but I do find tank less likely).

Though that is another thing I've seen that I don't get: assumptions that some people seem to have that DNC (or RDM or SAM, for that matter) absolutely will be a certain role. Or that if it ISN'T that person's role of choice, then that's the final straw and they will be quitting the game. I mean, really? You've been playing this game for this long, but if RDM is a tank or DNC is a DPS or (whatever class/role combination it is you don't like), then that's it, you're out? Okay then.

[Kaurie]

Though that is another thing I've seen that I don't get: assumptions that some people seem to have that DNC (or RDM or SAM, for that matter) absolutely will be a certain role. Or that if it ISN'T that person's role of choice, then that's the final straw and they will be quitting the game. I mean, really? You've been playing this game for this long, but if RDM is a tank or DNC is a DPS or (whatever class/role combination it is you don't like), then that's it, you're out? Okay then.

While I personally have not made such a claim, I feel that I may be able to provide insight into this (obviously, I do not speak for everyone).

For me, I really dislike what they did to a lot of jobs in Heavensward. I am the kind of person that likes to change up jobs a lot. In 2.0-2.55, I went from WHM -> SMN -> SCH -> BRD -> BLM -> BRD -> SCH -> PLD -> SCH -> NIN -> SMN as my mains. That's 11 different mains over 5 major patches, so as you can see, I like to switch it up frequently. In 3.x, I only like SCH/SMN (WHM is decent too, but I prefer SCH). So, I've gone SMN -> SCH -> SMN so far. I'm itching to play something new, but I can't bring myself to play any other job. I'm really hoping that one of the new 3 jobs is something fun that I can switch to. If not, and there are no major changes to current combat mechanics to make something existing more fun for me, I may unsub for that reason.

[Saito_S]

While I personally have not made such a claim, I feel that I may be able to provide insight into this (obviously, I do not speak for everyone).
(rest of your post cut for space)

Yes, but that's not quite what I mean. You're talking about whether you find each job fun to play or not, and (from your list of classes you tried, which doesn't include ANY HW jobs), about changes that 3.0 made to 2.0 jobs.

What I'm referring to, what utterly baffles me, is declaration that if a certain new class is a certain role, then that is unacceptable, is somehow objctively the "wrong" role for that class, and is cause for the player making the declaration to quit the game. Without even waiting to see what the class is like or exactly how it fits into its role; the idea of X class being Y role is simply unacceptable.

"If they make the egregious mistake of making Dancer a DPS, then I am done with this stupid game." <-- not an exact quote from any one person, of course, but THAT'S the mentality I'm talking about.

[Balipu]

So just wanted to share this to people who think DNC never plays like mnk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2SH_mRqra0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVTqR-ZStw


Lots of punching and kicking o/
lol the video is not mine btw - just wanted to show dnc does kick and punch/ uses mnk weps.

Yes well both videos clearly state in either a description or the title that these are dancers with monk as a support class attached to them. Of course they are going to kick and punch. Those are freakin monk skills.

See, this is why we are against the dancer speculation. I would love to have dancer and would probably ditch my ninja for one. Especially if it's a healer.
But I like logic and common sense more than dancers.

[Kaurie]

Yes, but that's not quite what I mean. You're talking about whether you find each job fun to play or not, and (from your list of classes you tried, which doesn't include ANY HW jobs), about changes that 3.0 made to 2.0 jobs.

Indeed, I was more just offering insight
I did not include Heavensward jobs, because I don't like any of the 3. I have AST at 60, but it's my least favourite of the 3 healers. I am not a fan of tanking, but prefer DRK to WAR and PLD to DRK (from what I've played of it). I have always disliked MCH thematically, but was unable to even level it to 31 when I tried to give it a chance.

I guess I should note that I have tried all the jobs in the game. I did not list WAR, MNK, DRG, DRK, AST, MCH not due to not trying, but simply because I do not like them (and thus I never mained them).

What I'm referring to, what utterly baffles me, is declaration that if a certain new class is a certain role, then that is unacceptable, is somehow objctively the "wrong" role for that class, and is cause for the player making the declaration to quit the game. Without even waiting to see what the class is like or exactly how it fits into its role; the idea of X class being Y role is simply unacceptable.

"If they make the egregious mistake of making Dancer a DPS, then I am done with this stupid game." <-- not an exact quote from any one person, of course, but THAT'S the mentality I'm talking about.

I get what your saying here, and I agree. Ultimatums are generally childish and this is the epitome of that. I imagine most people who say this will not actually quit, and I also imagine that Square Enix ignores these. So, in essence, we can pretend they don't exist

[Xiao_]

What I'm referring to, what utterly baffles me, is declaration that if a certain new class is a certain role, then that is unacceptable, is somehow objctively the "wrong" role for that class, and is cause for the player making the declaration to quit the game. Without even waiting to see what the class is like or exactly how it fits into its role; the idea of X class being Y role is simply unacceptable.

some people don't like the pressure of being tank/heal, and some people like to feel important instead of "just another dps"
this is also where the negative stereotype of each roles player comes from: dps mains being selfish and dying a lot because they feel like they can do whatever, and tank/heal mains with egos way too inflated to work with their team
i'm sure there are plenty of people who ONLY play one role EVER EVER EVER who aren't assholes, but i got sidetracked and don't really know if i even explained right

[Kikoten]

What if... what if... what if the Red Mage is the Dancer? A Dancer dancing the dance of magic to evoke magic, as aether pours out of his or her pores, and the poor enemies scream "Por favor!" as the Dancer evokes black and white magic with the power of the dance?

Bam, a RDM Dancer! Two birds, one stone.

/thread

EDIT: No, not /thread. In all sincerity, I figured the Dancer could be like a certain Chinese mythological figure, who has a Jade Rabbit following her around, saying, "Sick moves!"

[Xiao_]

What if... what if... what if the Red Mage is the Dancer? A Dancer dancing the dance of magic to evoke magic, as aether pours out of his or her pores, and the poor enemies scream "Por favor!" as the Dancer evokes black and white magic with the power of the dance?

Bam, a RDM Dancer! Two birds, one stone.

/thread

EDIT: No, not /thread. In all sincerity, I figured the Dancer could be like a certain Chinese mythological figure, who has a Jade Rabbit following her around, saying, "Sick moves!"

i would be SUPER ok with this, but then again i'm not a big fan of final fantasy as a whole so maybe that would be the apocalypse or something

[Shurrikhan]

some people don't like the pressure of being tank/heal, and some people like to feel important instead of "just another dps"
this is also where the negative stereotype of each roles player comes from: dps mains being selfish and dying a lot because they feel like they can do whatever, and tank/heal mains with egos way too inflated to work with their team
i'm sure there are plenty of people who ONLY play one role EVER EVER EVER who aren't assholes, but i got sidetracked and don't really know if i even explained right

It seems mostly right, at least stereotypically within the more casual side of the game. At worst, tanks and healers are role-fixated and don't grasp the meta, but the assumption is DPS don't care to have responsibilities at all, let alone weave them in appropriately for maximum performance.

I'm just of the opinion that no one should be able to escape responsibilities, largely through increased difficulty and coordination and cross-role synergies, even if that means blurring the roles a bit. Might just end up with shorter queues and fewer lazy or short-sighted players.