There Is No Dancer (yet)

[silentwindfr]

soo far none of the argument of the monk side was valid, featherfoot? not the same animation, snap punch? it's a basic direct punch, not even a monk skill but a pugilist one. fist of fire/wind? none have the same animation too....
soo far the only reason people say this is because she is a martial artist, however, they refuse to admit that she use a different weapon, have a different fighting style, have even different capacity. everytime they ignore this...

every single argument of the monk side is empty and need to be reevaluate, since most of them are not valid. the fact it's a cgi is not good since the WoL use the game animation for him skill. and he is clearly a monk.

even the simple fact that ala miggho only have 1 fighting style school for monk is ignored. she is clearly not a monk, not a monk as we are in the game. nor in the FF14 universe. that the whole point. what she are are left to speculation. but i can recognize a monk when i see one and that is not a monk. the flow, style and way to fight is too different for be one. like i have said a lot, the male (who is confirmed to be a monk) is more like earth and fire, while the red lady is more like water and wind.

SE will not add another type of weapon to a jobs existing, they will not create a whole new set of animation because of a fist/stance, because it will recquire to do it for every jobs that have a stance and will be a work more well invested into a new jobs. but this is ignored over and over and over....why? because she is a martial artist. *sighs*

ps: i love my monk, i did start as pugilist until they did added monk in the V1 and mostly did play this... and honestly say that an animation of a skill is the same when is different is tiring... it's tiring to see people coming here say stuff without even verify stuff. i want the monk to get new cool stuff and new skill/capacity. but, what she are are going against everything the monk is. the monk was called destroyer, not without reason, what she is not destruction...

[cammi]

:c

She fights too much like a monk for people to not see it. That is all the proof you need until otherwise noted. Besides it's a CGI trailer meaning it's not going to look the same as ingame. It's just not, so the best thing to do is to wait and see what is said. I'm still placing my money on monk tho.

[Kaurie]

She fights too much like a monk for people to not see it. That is all the proof you need until otherwise noted. Besides it's a CGI trailer meaning it's not going to look the same as ingame. It's just not, so the best thing to do is to wait and see what is said. I'm still placing my money on monk tho.

She fights like a Monk, which is why it is perfectly reasonable to take the stance that you think she is a Monk. That said, Silentwindfr is right in that the evidence isn't 100% compelling, and there are enough things to raise questions. That's why it's also perfectly reasonable to speculate on her being a dancer. There's no reason to bring each other down.

Statements like:
"Grasping at straws"
"People are trying to force the square blocks into circle slots with this Dancer speculation"
are neither helpful nor respectful.

[Reynhart]

soo far none of the argument of the monk side was valid, featherfoot? not the same animation, snap punch? it's a basic direct punch, not even a monk skill but a pugilist one. fist of fire/wind? none have the same animation too....
soo far the only reason people say this is because she is a martial artist, however, they refuse to admit that she use a different weapon, have a different fighting style, have even different capacity. everytime they ignore this...

The problem is still the same. Monk already exists in the game (fact), Stormblood's focus will be on Monk (fact). If you want to prove that we're having a Dancer, and that the lady in red is a Dancer, you have to bring actual proofs of that. Proofs that could only be applied to Dancer. Kick and punch attacks are hardly dancer exclusive, the outfit is hardly dancer exclusive (In fact, one MNK set has almost the same design)...

[Kaurie]

The problem is still the same. Monk already exists in the game (fact), Stormblood's focus will be on Monk (fact). If you want to prove that we're having a Dancer, and that the lady in red is a Dancer, you have to bring actual proofs of that. Proofs that could only be applied to Dancer. Kick and punch attacks are hardly dancer exclusive, the outfit is hardly dancer exclusive (In fact, one MNK set has almost the same design)...

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: speculation; plural noun: speculations
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

[Reynhart]

the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

Then maybe some should refrain of using the word "clearly" then.
If one's speculation that she is a dancer comes from the claim that she's clearly not a MNK. it's not a speculation anymore.

[Kaurie]

Then maybe some should refrain of using the word "clearly" then.
If one's speculation that she is a dancer comes from the claim that she's clearly not a MNK. it's not a speculation anymore.

Agreed, but that is something that people on both sides of the argument have been doing this entire thread. People feel their argument is stronger if they say that the other side is clearly wrong. No one is clearly wrong, that is the entire reason we have a 34 page debate about it, and the reason why we're all speculating.

[Reynhart]

People feel their argument is stronger if they say that the other side is clearly wrong. No one is clearly wrong, that is the entire reason we have a 34 page debate about it, and the reason why we're all speculating.

That's why I try keep most of my posts as "That does not prove she's a dancer" and "This could also be applied to Monk"

[Lufir]

they refuse to admit that she use a different weapon, have a different fighting style

every single argument of the monk side is empty and need to be reevaluate

Watch the trailer at 1:44 to the end, they are mimicking each other literally blow for blow.

And you keep bringing up the argument that the Lady in Red has a different weapon which doesn't make her a Monk. Well, so does the majority of special NPCc in this game. It's been said before in this thread that Raubahn dual wields = doesn't make him a ninja. Oh, and he also has a huge axe, but he is referred to as a Gladiator. Merlwyb has dual pistols as well (Players can't do that). A certain Lalafell Thamaturge in the BLM story uses Veritas Aquas(sp?) as a healing spell. Why do you elude this point but then go on (as your main argument might I add) keep saying that she isn't a Monk because of her "weapon"?

[RobbieH]

Watch the trailer at 1:44 to the end, they are mimicking each other literally blow for blow.

And you keep bringing up the argument that the Lady in Red has a different weapon which doesn't make her a Monk. Well, so does the majority of special NPCc in this game. It's been said before in this thread that Raubahn dual wields = doesn't make him a ninja. Oh, and he also has a huge axe, but he is referred to as a Gladiator. Merlwyb has dual pistols as well (Players can't do that). A certain Lalafell Thamaturge in the BLM story uses Veritas Aquas(sp?) as a healing spell. Why do you elude this point but then go on (as your main argument might I add) keep saying that she isn't a Monk because of her "weapon"?

To me this looks like she is using her cloth as a weapon, that yellow thing is clearly a slash animation.


Now i'll point you to my comment here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3907486

Now watch the Heavensward Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4phUCJlomPo

There's absolutely no hints at the new Jobs there, yet in the Stormblood Trailer they show Two Characters, one of which is unknown.

Why not just show the Derplander Monk like they show the Derplander Dragoon only in the HW Trailer?