Lore Book Revelations

[Powe]

Btw is there a chart depecting the order of voidsent? I've been wondering where this freakling tier that's been used to describe voidsent is.

[Morningstar1337]

Wait a sec.... If Estinien is using Gae Blog... does that mean mine was a fake!?!?!

It seems very unlikely. For starters all the relic weapons are as the name implies, relics. Antiques, old. The Gae Bolg Estinein uses was likely made more recently.

Plus a lot of the relics seemed to had been mass produced in their heydey anyway like the Stardust Rods.

[Anonymoose]

On a different note, the Ascians are down 4 memebers, Mitron (killed by Arbert and his band), Lahabrea (Killed by Thordian), Nabriales and Igeyohrm (killed by us).

I haven't made it all the way through the book yet, so just drop a citation on (and ignore) me if I'm just mistaken here, but: Are we sure that vanquished means killed in this case? The word doesn't always mean "killed", just "defeated" or "overcome" in any way.

We saw Arbert wielding a blade of light in the aetherial sea, as we did against Lahabrea; yet that only cast him out of Thancred and destroyed a dark crystal. Mitron might still be out there sans a vessel of the First and some wasted time.

This does not confirm Gaius' death! *sob sob*

It feels wrong, but until I find a place that the book is wrong in a different assumption, I have to accept it as an extraordinary heavy weight on the scales of probability... bummed, though I am.

No, it goes even beyond that - the confusion about the gender of Nael is in the original Japanese too.

Never mind the two male-explicit pronouns in Japanese ("What if the Lodestone was deliberate misinformation? And surely Gaius didn't know better if Eula was hiding it.") or that the JP-built model was male in the DATs and had a male voice pack ("What if Eula was wearing armor built for a man and faking a deeper voice?") or that Yoshida-san himself said "always man" when asked in person at Fan Fest I ("What if he was just trying to cover the mistakes with some consistency that the lore book has negated the need?") or that Rise and Fall of the White Raven was considered accurate by the lore team in its day despite it needing an update now ("What if ... Ascians?") or that other things have changed, too, such as Bradamante's lore ("What if the Lodestone was just always wrong? It said the spear was said to be named for someone Darnus slew; it made no promises.")

I, for one, think we should just take the Encyclopaedia Eorzea as a gift and forsake everything else. What was the purpose of debate? To find the Truth. Here it is, in black and white (or black and parchment, I guess). Is it possible that a chunk of it is a masterful post hoc clean-up? Sure. Are some development stitches showing? Sure seems like it. But it's done. There it is: Truth.

I'm takin' it.

[Belhi]

It seems very unlikely. For starters all the relic weapons are as the name implies, relics. Antiques, old. The Gae Bolg Estinein uses was likely made more recently.

Plus a lot of the relics seemed to had been mass produced in their heydey anyway like the Stardust Rods.

The Lore book, that calls Estinien's weapon Gae Bolg, seems to describe it as a holy relic. It would seem strange to have two relics with the same name and the same appearance. That would just be confusing.

It feels wrong, but until I find a place that the book is wrong in a different assumption, I have to accept it as an extraordinary heavy weight on the scales of probability... bummed, though I am.

I get why people are such big fans of Gaius but I don't see why people feel him actually being dead is wrong. Infact it's very believable. The guy would probably be 60 by now. Let him go guys.... He has had his run.

[Cilia]

Wait a sec.... If Estinien is using Gae Blog... does that mean mine was a fake!?!?!

If I recall rightly, when you go to have Gerolt make the Gae Bolg, he sarcastically asks you why you don't just go have Ishgard make you one. I was under the impression that it's a pretty common weapon among Dragoons - or at least Azure Dragoons, since running off memory I believe Haldrath also had one - so Estinien having Gae Bolg was hardly surprising. It's like a mark of mastery for Dragoons, so to speak.

All the relics are replicas anyway. It's not until you start powering it up that it matches the weapon of legend, and even then the Gae Bolg's ultimate form is an entirely different weapon (Longinus), so...

[Anonymoose]

I get why people are such big fans of Gaius but I don't see why people feel him actually being dead is wrong. Infact it's very believable. The guy would probably be 60 by now. Let him go guys.... He has had his run.

I meant that something feels subjectively, internally amiss; an intangible hesitation when looking at the big picture. Not to parrot my Griffin posts again and again, but of course it's believable that someone standing in the middle of a bunch of explosions is probably dead. The scales were always weighted pretty heavily against him coming back, and I'm willing to let him go for the lore book's sake.

It's just ... something about it makes my brain itch (and probably for no good reason).

If I recall rightly...

Pretty sure you do. Even the trailer dragoons and quest NPCs have Gae Bolgs, iirc.
It, and the Drachen equipment, seem to be standardized Knight Dragoon equipment.

On another topic...

I'm seeing mentions of Nanamo's parents and I can't tell if Sasabal or Sasabaru is the mistaken English variant of the name. Sasabal Ul Sisibal is from way back in 1.0, whereas Sasabaru has been seen more recently ... but I didn't even need to go back that far. As of 3.4, English and French don't even agree on Sasabal Ul Sisibal vs. Sasabaru on the Loyal Pleco.

[Belhi]

The Lore book says this:

"The Holy See bestowed the legendary spear Gae Bolg upon Estinien after he was awarded the title of Azure Dragoon. However, when he was possessed by the Shade of Nidhoog, the spear was twisted and transformed by the great wyrm's magicks. Upon Estinien's disappearance from the infirmary, it was discovered that Gae Bolg too, had vanished."

'The legendary spear Gae Bolg' sounds like its refering to a specific weapon rather than a generally used Dragoon weapon.

Of course I could just be reading too much into how the thing is phrased.

Edit: Oh! Carvallain was the heir to House Durendaire. He just hated the role and pretended to be a bannerman so he could travel. When he was taken prisoner by pirates he lept at the chance to be recruited by the pirates.

So does that make him Jannequinard's older brother?

Biggs and Wedge were from the lowest caste in Garlemald being commoners in annexed Garlean territories and were conscripted into Garlemald's armies. They deserted and fled to Eorzea to defect. There names Biggs and Wedge are actually alias's they use to keep the identities of their families who still live in Garlemald hidden.

It sounds like people without citizenship in Garlean territories have little to no rights.

[Writer]

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Ironic that Yda works in Gridania for the Scions...

[Anonymoose]

Of course I could just be reading too much into how the thing is phrased.

When all else fails, I turn back to the Lodestone entries from 2012.

There is a custom still observed in Ishgard today which ordains that the Holy See bestow a polearm dubbed Gae Bolg upon any lancer who ascends to the station of dragoon. Exactly how his weapon is forged remains a mystery, as the very few highland smiths who create them are sworn to keep their methods secret. All that is known is that the bones of dragons slain in the name of Halone are worked into both haft and head, achieving an unmatched balance between lightness and strength.

Oh! Carvallain was the heir to House Durendaire. <...> So does that make him Jannequinard's older brother?

There's even a little hint about it in the Astrologian storyline about him being the thir-...SECOND son of the family.

Rocl some-the-hells-how prized that conclusion out back in the 2.0 cycle (granted, as headcanon at the time). Even before his original post about it here in the forums, we'd joked about it while looking for support. It was a serious [Oh, gods damn it.] moment when I walked into western Coerthas at 3.0 launch and there was Gorgagne Mills.

[Belhi]

I thought it might be the case but I was thrown off the scent by the story that is apparently behind Gorgagne Mills.

Another question I would like answered.... Why the hell to the Ishgardians bury so many of their dead all the way out there. I mean seriously, isn't there a graveyard a little closer to the city?