Lore Book Revelations

[Ghastly]

Any roegadyn lore to share? Anything? We're like the most obscure race in the game after au ra....

[Eloah]

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While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

[Balipu]

While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

And she mostly likely wanted everyone to think she is a he cause Nael was a guy and her taking up the armor was a secret.

[myahele]

Any roegadyn lore to share? Anything? We're like the most obscure race in the game after au ra....

sea wolves

hells guard

So CoD is a self proclaimed "Ruler" of the Void, while this is probably her belief, it at least show how strong she thinks she is compared to the Kings and Queens. Afterall, she is the Cloud of Darkness made manifest.

[Ghastly]

Thank you so much! I'll get the limsa lominsa lore when I get the book.

Interesting hellsguard information there...so like the lalafels we're some of the best mages in eorzea...
Firewalking? Is that how they also get the nose marking? Until we get official word I will declare that's how they get the nose marking. I'm guessing evolution kept the marking there even when they moved out of Abalathia.

Besides that a lot of it was stuff that we already know


But for seawolf they went into a lot of detail like how they grow really tall for male and female (sorry au ra if you want a tall female fantasia to roegadyn already).
They mention roegadyn hair is hard but that's probably only for males.

[Cilia]

Except that it would have its own voidsent. The whole reason the Warriors of Darkness came to our world to cause a rejoining of theirs was that it would leave their people in a state of unlife/undeath. They'd be twisted into light-oriented voidsent.

What we've been told, and what I've seen detailed in the lore book (I don't have my own), a Flood of Light does not twist as a Flood of Darkness does. It erases. All aether is drained, leaving nothingness in its wake. Not a twisted, compressed singularity sparsely inhabited by deathless beings as the Flood of Darkness does. Nothingness. The voidsent we're familiar with are deathless because they're foreign to our lifestream and they have none of their own, but in order to exist they must still have some aether (it's the basic building block of all matter in XIV and we do fight voidsent on their home turf in the World of Darkness). There is no aether in a "Light" void, meaning nothing can exist in it, and it erases everything it touches.

The Warriors of Darkness' goal was to force a rejoining, letting what little remained of the First be reintegrated with the Source so its people could live on in a manner of speaking. The book doesn't imply "Arbert" killed the other Warriors of Darkness, but that he killed his friends and family to ensure they would be metaphorically reborn once the rejoining went through instead of being erased altogether.

While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.

That was my guess as well, but thanks to the lack of voice work in 1.x and how English has strict gendered pronouns, they mistranslated to keep it a surprise or just weren't told. Prounouns are used plenty, but rather than strictly defining someone as male or female they denote how one thinks of oneself and the people one is addressing. "Nael" referring to herself as "ore" makes perfect sense because she wanted to impersonate her dead brother and assume authority, and "ore" is just about the most masculine pronoun there is in Japanese.

The question is "Why did they come up with the gender bender angle for Nael in the Coil in EN?" instead of just saying everyone mistook her for a male thanks to the armor. That's the part that really confuses me.

... but this is just me trying to sound smarter than I actually am, and a major digression from the topic at hand...

[Morningstar1337]

From what I gathered, For most of the races, one of the clans came about from Darwinian evolution, adapting to their environment to become a different subspecies of their respective race

For the Lalafell, its the Dunesfolk, that much is obvious. Their mutation involve more cglossy eyes, and elimination of green hair as a gene (maybe). Of couse if certain Fishing logs are to belives then Lalafell as a whole might be synthetic chimeric beings akin to the Ixal. (thought probably much more accidental)

For the Elezen its the Duskwrights. Also obvious from what we learned of them so far. Interestingly both the Dusnesfolk and the Duskwights appeared after the War of the Magi. Their mutation involve a much darker skin and more silver hair

If we work under the eldence that Elezens are the only native species in Eorzea, (which has evedence aganst them from Allag via their citizens and possibler accedental creation of the Lalafell) then we cna assume that Hellguard mutated fromt eh Sea Wolves, which allowed them to adapt to Albathia.

With that said the Au Ra and Miquo'te seem to be far more ambiguous, especially since both of them have Solar and Lunar themes with their clans, thus I think its possible that they evolves simultaneously from common ancestors that are likely extinct (Unlike the former three races where the the original clan exists simultaneously with their later cousins). I also don;t know which of the Hyur clans came first

[Eloah]

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Can i ask what fishing logs... if I'm a mutant i hope i het ice powers, XD

[PArcher]

Can i ask what fishing logs... if I'm a mutant i hope i het ice powers, XD

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[StarDrake]

Yes, the localization team messed up.

No, it goes even beyond that - the confusion about the gender of Nael is in the original Japanese too. The White Raven lyrics were commissioned as if Nael was a guy, the role was written for a dude and the confusion of Alisaie is in all versions of the script, because the art team always intended for Nael to be a woman and for the ARR content to contain a big unmasking event... one that the writing team didn't get wind of until Nael's T9 model was done.

It was a breakdown of communication and it's a multi-pronged mistake, and assigning blame to just one section of Development 5 isn't fair in this case.

Would it be alright if I made a separate thread for discussion of the origins of the Spoken races, their clans and their evolution?

I would be down because a number of my private theories got proven right (all Dunesfolk are Mhachi! Nym was originally majority-Plainsfolk and some of them eventually came back to Limsa!) and attentive reading more or less stops exactly short of spelling out the origins of the Au Ra.