SE must be drunk.

[Reynhart]

Please learn to play FF11 before trying to compare it to a totally different game.

Wow, this is wonderful.
Wonderful ignorance...

First, Seigan was only introduced in 2006, so SAM didn't have it while I was leveling PLD. Second, I played PLD, so tell me how I should rotate Utsusemi...and last, around level 30, you stacked SA and TA because TA might have a chance to miss and you want to stack as much base damage as you could before applying the WS multipliers.

Trying to give lesson with so little knowledge...

As for your Crossbow vs Dagger thing, this is so irrelevant and so wrong that I'm pretty sure you just mentionned it here to gossip.

[Seku]

Wow, this is wonderful.
Wonderful ignorance...

First, Seigan was only introduced in 2006, so SAM didn't have it while I was leveling PLD. Second, I played PLD, so tell me how I should rotate Utsusemi...and last, around level 30, you stacked SA and TA because TA might have a chance to miss and you want to stack as much base damage as you could before applying the WS multipliers.

Trying to give lesson with so little knowledge...

As for your Crossbow vs Dagger thing, this is so irrelevant and so wrong that I'm pretty sure you just mentionned it here to gossip.

Never stated as a PLD, as PLD was useless with people that knew how to count shadows and roll between utsumi, more so a RDM, at max level unless you had a Ageis and I can tell already you didn't. It was also useless in a good party that knew how to control hate properly and count shadows on slow attacking mobs. No one blood tank and if they did, the nearest DPS would throw up their -50% damage taken set until another DPS took it off them.

Also, yes I know SAM's Seigan came out 10 years ago. But if the last time you played was 10 years ago, why are you trying to compare a game that you haven't even played for half it's life span, have no real tanking experience with, and not for long at that if the only experience you have is lv 33, I know you didn't play since launch or you just leveled extremely slow

Sounds like your THF needs to invest into acc if their missing mobs and if they have to worry about missing.

Viper bite is a 100% dex modifer and VB has a base damage multiplier of...1...also TA works outside of this multiplier and just adds on it's base damage to the Weapon skill.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Trick_Attack
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Viper_Bite - You'll notice the fTP (the base damage multiplier effect) is 1. 1 x 1 is....oh yeah 1. Meaning only DEX really helps your Viper bites.

TA Is agi based and does damage equal to your main hand base damage + AGI, if your thf is in dex gear, when the skill goes off instead of AGI their missing damage.

Nah, trying to help your THF do relevant damage at new player levels so you can stop taking 14 years to get to Lv. 99 and gain a mastery on a job. As well as to show you that at best your experience in tanking in FF11 is that of a new player. Tanking at level 33 is like tanking at level 20-25 in 14.

Cross bow does more damage at level 30 due to their higher base damage. Daggers don't become relevant until you unlock dual wield 2 with a ninja sub for the lower delay the only exception being that you get the extra stats off the daggers, such as AGI, DEX, ACC, ATK, ect. , unless your thf likes sitting round for about 8-10 seconds while TP feeding the mob , as that'll happen at level 30 with daggers instead of 3-4 seconds before popping off a ranged attack with higher base damage and higher potential?

Yet again....stop talking about things you don't know anything about.


FF11 Tanking meta:
https://youtu.be/1XChg3faluA?t=1m45s - shit dies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpYgXkiDe84 - Pld can't keep hate (note dude in the white standing around doing nothing while everyone else goes ape shit to get and switch hate).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5HM7730Kvo - more shadow tanking and DPS fest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8jLL7-TwHA - oh more DPS centered event where RDM/DRK stops all outgoing party damage.

Blood Tanking and arrgo management that people try to say exist in 11 doesn't really exist in 80% of 11. And when it did....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3DqbFb5Fu0 - Note how Sam takes hate. Rotates shadows and uses third eye to avoid all damage, while doing damage is the reason he keeps hate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HywIWjRnZJ8 - Just in case there is any question from the last tanking video. Here's a blm tanking a end game boss. ;o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqUzWBdCgc - Red mage supporting themselves / MT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-avaKx8mCI - Rdm again killing it with tanking, reducing damage to 0 on two bosses.
Welcome to 2004 - abyessa era FF11. =3

TLDR:
Stop talking about something you know nothing about and trying to compare it to another game. FF11 Was more DPS centered than 14. ;o

[Reynhart]

You'll notice the fTP (the base damage multiplier effect) is 1. 1 x 1 is....oh yeah 1.

You know that fTP is not the damage multiplier but the effect of TP on damage, right ?
You also know that having a second weapon will add 1 to this multiplier, right ?

Oh you're just saying nonsense just to sound smart ?

[Seku]

You know that fTP is not the damage multiplier but the effect of TP on damage, right ?
You also know that having a second weapon will add 1 to this multiplier, right ?

Oh you're just saying nonsense just to sound smart ?

Having a 2nd weapon doesn't add a multipler, it adds a extra hit if you're doing a multi hit weapon skill, useless in Viper bite.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/TP_Multiplier - no i actually have sources to back my claims. So far you've provided nothing but horrible stories of leveling at 30.

In case you're too lazy to click on the link above, "TP Multiplier (fTP) is a multiplier of your Base Damage when performing weapon skills or physical blue magic. ".

The only other multiplers in a weapon skill, in 11, are your Stats (yet again...Agi, dex, str, atk, ect). Thus it brings this conversation back to the start, your thf needs to stop wasting TA while wearing DEX gear for SA and you shouldn't try and compare a game you know nothing about, more so when it too was focused on a Damage meta. I've already proven the main point in that even in 11, people didn't really care about Hate due to just about anyone being able to defend and if the choice was there would just wreck the mob and left turtle tanking a long time ago.

Any how, I'm done until something of actual merit pops up.

[Reynhart]

Having a 2nd weapon doesn't add a multipler, it adds a extra hit if you're doing a multi hit weapon skill, useless in Viper bite.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/TP_Multiplier - no i actually have sources to back my claims. So far you've provided nothing but horrible stories of leveling at 30.

In case you're too lazy to click on the link above, "TP Multiplier (fTP) is a multiplier of your Base Damage when performing weapon skills or physical blue magic. ".

FTP :Additional hits on the WS (be it from double attack, triple attack, Quadruple Attack, dual wield, or subsequent hits from a multi-hit WS) will always have a fTP of 1.0.
And in case you're too lazy to properly read a WS description : Viper bite strikes with twice the attack power. so it have its own multplier unrelated to TP.
The simple fact that you think this WS is worthless proves that you don't know anything about playing THF.

Also, I really like your video of Byakko tanked by a BLM...Who does literally no attack spells, crippling its own DPS to the floor, and needing constant transfered enmity (With SA+TA) to even keep the mob on him, and a horde of healers for the few seconds where its shadows fall. He should have let the real tank tank and do its job as a DPS.

Keep digging, you'll find gold...

[Seku]

FTP :Additional hits on the WS (be it from double attack, triple attack, Quadruple Attack, dual wield, or subsequent hits from a multi-hit WS) will always have a fTP of 1.0.

Not quite too sure what you're trying to point out here. Other than you get 2-4 extra hits in at base damage as I already told you that dual wielding only adds on a additional hit. 1 x1 is yet again 1 which is a normal attack.....thank you for proving I'm right? Lol.

Just so you know, that basically means only the first hit has any type of Ftp Multiplier to it, while any other hits are just flat Auto Attack damage put into one hit. IE: Stack Attack / STR if your Acc is capped.

Having a 2nd weapon doesn't add a multipler, it adds a extra hit

And in case you're too lazy to properly read a WS description : Viper bite strikes with twice the attack power. so it have its own multplier unrelated to TP.

Which is Atk. Short for attack. Yet again that was stated in my previous posts. http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Viper_Bite , theres your homework for tonight.

The only other multiplers in a weapon skill, in 11, are your Stats (yet again...Agi, dex, str, atk, ect). .

Also, I really like your video of Byakko tanked by a BLM...Who does literally no attack spells, crippling its own DPS to the floor, and needing constant transfered enmity (With SA+TA) to even keep the mob on him, and a horde of healers for the few seconds where its shadows fall. He should have let the real tank tank and do its job as a DPS.

Keep digging, you'll find gold...

Like the fact that a job with the some of the worse defense and damage mitgation options, at the time , was able to tank and live through a boss meant for your turtle style game play due to it's consistent triple attacks and aoe (which whipes shadows), in a game where MP management is a thing? Yeah I'd say that is gold.

As well as this Bard tanking another boss and doing it's job. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgz34-fv9jE.

[Reynhart]

Not quite too sure what you're trying to point out here. Other than you get 2-4 extra hits in at base damage as I already told you that dual wielding only adds on a additional hit. 1 x1 is yet again 1 which is a normal attack.....thank you for proving I'm right? Lol.

Yeah right, a normal attack...where you add twice your DEX, your AGI, and calculate the pDIF with twice the attack power.

Like the fact that a job with the some of the worse defense and damage mitgation options, at the time , was able to tank and live through a boss meant for your turtle style game play due to it's consistent triple attacks and aoe (which whipes shadows), in a game where MP management is a thing? Yeah I'd say that is gold.

But funnily, you use that to prove that everyone focused on DPS in XI, yet against the same boss, if the PLD would have tanked, it wouldn't have needed 3 healers to keep him alive, less /THF to keep enmity, while the BLM and WAR could have done much more DPS. And you show that controlling enmity required coordination and surviving required real skill...wich is exactly what XIV tanking lacks

As well as this Bard tanking another boss and doing it's job. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgz34-fv9jE.

Wow, a BRD blink-tanking a stunned boss that uses 10 second casting spells with convenient cuts to not show how it also need transferred enmity to keep the boss on him...what an impressive feat !