SE must be drunk.

[Sarcatica]

Yes, it is required. But having high personal DPS is not the only way for tanks to contribute in increasing the raid DPS. If DRK could provide TP and MP refresh with some of its skills, then MCH and BRD wouldn't have to sacrifice their DPS. If PLD mitigates enough (for him or by helping the MT) so that one healer can go 100% Cleric Stance (unless shitty situations) or even replace it with a fifth DPS, PLD's mitigation would improve raid DPS.

Just don't narrow the party's dynamic to one way when we have so much jobs...

Currently only A9S dries up TP fast (due to aoe-ing and 100% uptime on boss) for the TP users that BRD/MCH has to give TP song. The rest of the tier is just singing Ballad and/or Foes which is for the benefits of the team, in the first place they are used in raid mostly for support.

The funny thing is one healer is already almost going full DPS (SCH, yes), your point is invalid on PLD mitigating enough. The word "enough" is very hard to take at face value, "enough" can be easy for the best raiders which in turn makes "enough" very hard for average joes, vice versa, "enough" for majorities making that "enough" unnecessary for raiders. Just because you haven't experienced it yet doesn't make your point valid by a long stretch. When you go to raid, you need to have a certain competency to pull your own weight, even if you are tanks/healers, you are still subjected to chime in DPS.

High personal DPS can have different meanings, some people just make healers heal more for their epeens, some just want to have enough to clear, that's how they want/choose to do it. What is considered as "high" DPS anyway? Is 500dps high? Is 1.4k low? Your definition will be different than let's say mine.

No, it's mostly because the fight design makes it too easy to heal them inbetween tank busters, even if they stay out of tank stance.

Then can we expect 50% of the community to clear A12S before 4.0? If it's so easy, why aren't we all cleared already?

[Reynhart]

The rest of the tier is just singing Ballad and/or Foes which is for the benefits of the team, in the first place they are used in raid mostly for support.

To support the team with ballad, they must sacrifice part of their damage output. If one specific tank could provide it, they wouldn't have too. BRD and MCH are capable of doing really great numbers when they're focused on DPSing so they're valuable even if they don't support the team with Ballad or Paeon. And casters would love more Requiem uptime.

What is considered as "high" DPS anyway? Is 500dps high? Is 1.4k low? Your definition will be different than let's say mine.

The exact number is not the problem. high DPS depends on the maximum output of the job. But you're no what personal DPS contribution is when compared to raid wide DPS contribution.

Then can we expect 50% of the community to clear A12S before 4.0? If it's so easy, why aren't we all cleared already?

Simple. Because 90% of the population actually don't even set foot in Alex Savage. Not because they won't be able to clear it but because they don't care.

this are the best jobs for me, tank just to be a meatpunch is boring.

Right, "for you". Why should we all have to feel the same when we have three tanks to chose ?