Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Kaurie]

what's to argue? the numbers are not subs, and the numbers are not accurate you can say oh but they are 10% wrong or 20% wrong but that shows that you don't even know if the number are true so why would i believe something you don't even know?

The point to argue is that the numbers are not fake. Fake implies they are made up, but they are not made up. They're based off real achievements obtained by characters. IIRC the achievement is the one you obtain at level 15 (used level 15 to reduce RMT inflation); however, I am not 100% sure on that. We know that the major factor which generates error is that it is based off CHARACTERs and not PLAYERs. That means if 1 player has an alternate, they are counted twice. I know one person who has 6 alternates, for example. He would be counted 7 times on the census. That said, most people, I believe, do not have alternates - so we can safely say the estimate is close. The second largest issue is that bots will be added to the mix. Outside of those 2 glaring issues, it is quite accurate based off data-mining what is actually happening in the game.

I am not sure where you are getting 10% and 20% error from, as that implies this was done with statistical analysis and the margin of error is X %. That doesn't really work in this methodology.

In terms of why would you believe something I don't know? Well, I do know that the number is slightly less than the reported value - feel free to believe it as you will.

[Welsper59]

You know, I may be the minority, but I could care less if FFXIV ceased to exist today or 10 years from now. That fact is, I am currently enjoying it now. If that ever changes, I will leave it behind with fond memories like all the other games I've played before it. For now though, I will continue to enjoy it and not worry too much about what will happen in the future.

That being said, I played and loved FFXI. I still get nostalgic about it, but my lifestyle now could not support that type of time sink. If FFXIV were to become that type of time sink. I would be forced to stop playing. It seems to me that FFXIV was designed with players like me in mind. Which is awesome for me, and must suck for the rest of you. You have my sympathies. Not really.

XIV isn't exactly designed for me in some regards, but that's just a reality that comes from all facets of life. Some (i.e. many) folks have yet to realize that not everything that is done to something they engage themselves in is specifically for them. They also need to realize that their presence, even if by the hundreds that feel similarly and may be present on forums or other social outlets, doesn't mean a damn thing lol. Unless we have direct ties to the creative process or employment, we are simply numbers on an individual basis.

Side note though on XI: You could probably do a ton on it now if that nostalgia ever hits you hard. It's very solo friendly for like... 90% or more of the game thanks to the Trust system. Also, Home Points are teleports now, and almost every zone has at least one lol.

[Musashidon]

The point to argue is that the numbers are not fake. Fake implies they are made up, but they are not made up.

this explains my point perfectly

They even go to explain what they thought was an "active character."

you may data mine but you filter out other players you can not say if the number is the real number but one *you* accept as the correct answer which it is not. it does not have every player just who you think qualify so using that data as facts is wrong. as you are leaving out players and only SE has the real numbers.

so once again no it's not close as you have no proof you say you filtered but you don't know how many people you missed and just say no its a small number which you do not know is true and just say so.

Well, I do know that the number is slightly less than the reported value - feel free to believe it as you will.

you do not know this.

[Kaurie]

this explains my point perfectly

In which, you are incorrect and have provided zero reasoning or evidence to suggest otherwise. I am not sure why you are stubbornly refusing to understand where the numbers are coming from, but I guess this is going no where. I was simply trying to inform you on the process, and had no hidden agenda.

[Musashidon]

In which, you are incorrect and have provided zero reasoning or evidence to suggest otherwise. I am not sure why you are stubbornly refusing to understand where the numbers are coming from, but I guess this is going no where. I was simply trying to inform you on the process, and had no hidden agenda.

refusing? i understand perfectly its statistic based on someones personal opinion of active or inactive.

you say *this achievement proves how many people actively plays* but it does not.

once again i will say it *only se can say how many people logged in today 100%* the rest is all filters based on what someone thinks is active or not.

[Genaxx]

If you want to go by SE numbers theres over 5 million players

[Musashidon]

SE once released census where it was stated that there are 2'700'000 players in the game currently. Then this number was investigated by players and the real number was around 700k-800k. After this SE stopped releasing censuses. So any datamined census will be more accurate than SE one

the only numbers se ever gave was way back saying they have 500k daily active players. the 2.7mil 3mil 5mil 6mil is a different number than active.

it will never be more accurate than se (other than the fact people make them) if you want to believe the info 100% that is your call but it holds no real weight.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Oh really? we know for a fact they thought it was trash?

By that definition, how many players started XI, and stopped playing because they thought it was trash?

Maybe they realized it wasn't the game for them, financial issues, personal issues. Many things can get people to stop playing an MMO.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you want to go by SE numbers theres over 5 million players

And Blizzard has said over 100 million have played WoW, but now they have less than 5 million subs. Does that mean 95 million people thought WoW was trash?

[Vantol]

Does that mean 95 million people thought WoW was trash?

Yes, it does? If reason is not death or money shortage, why would you stop doing something that brings you fun?