Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Musashidon]

I don't want yoshida saying "is ok for 1/4 of my players to go and play Legion". I want him doing content so he fights to the death against legion for every single player. I've done a better job to keep players playing this game than he has.

well this is where we differ while you are saying 1/4 i am say the number is lower like 1/10

but they you say but look at the numbers! what numbers? what number of players are we suppose to have at all times? 500k? 1million? 2million?
the game caters towards the players who won't burn out due to not being able to do everything super fast and likely to never unsub.

I really do not understand how you can think this, and it makes it difficult to argue. The numbers are not fake, but I could agree that they are not precise; however, their lack of precision inflates the numbers, so all we know is that they are less than reported.

what's to argue? the numbers are not subs, and the numbers are not accurate you can say oh but they are 10% wrong or 20% wrong but that shows that you don't even know if the number are true so why would i believe something you don't even know?

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

well this is where we differ while you are saying 1/4 i am say the number is lower like 1/10

but they you say but look at the numbers! what numbers? what number of players are we suppose to have at all times? 500k? 1million? 2million?
the game caters towards the players who won't burn out due to not being able to do everything super fast and likely to never unsub.



what's to argue? the numbers are not subs, and the numbers are not accurate you can say oh but they are 10% wrong or 20% wrong but that shows that you don't even know if the number are true so why would i believe something you don't even know?

The highest we possibly can at all time.

Ideally, all servers should have Balmung population and activity. That should be the "end goal". Not "Is ok people leaves, if the game is booring, when you return will feel fresh again".

[OliviaJ]

The highest we possibly can at all time.

Ideally, all servers should have Balmung population and activity. That should be the "end goal". Not "Is ok people leaves, if the game is booring, when you return will feel fresh again".

Bleh. Balmung sounds horrible to me. I'm not saying it's a horrible server because obviously a lot of people flock to it. I also hate large populated cities IRL, so medium pop servers are great. We all have different tastes though and you can't please everyone.

Ghost towns are a problem though. There has to be SOME people on it to do things with.

[Musashidon]

The highest we possibly can at all time.

Ideally, all servers should have Balmung population and activity. That should be the "end goal". Not "Is ok people leaves, if the game is booring, when you return will feel fresh again".

but now we are arguing which gaming group will net more players, if you make it so players are less likely to leave due to stuff to do (which is grind gear) you lose the players who can't play as much and will leave due to having to do so much.

which leaves will changing it so less people leave due to burn out, out weigh the people leaving because they can't do anything anymore or lost the interest do to getting no where now?

this is the whole thing to me. i believe the amount of players we will have at all times will always be higher than if we catered to the group burning out.

my example: always 500k or above. 500k at its lowest 1mil around the highest while the other group would be say be around 200k all the time due to less leaving and coming back. (but this is just my opinion)

They didn't just pull numbers out of their behinds or make things up.

i already understand how the data was gotten.

you can filter the lodestone but it will never give you the actual numbers of players and saying it's close or the actual numbers is a lie.

[Centershock]

what's to argue? the numbers are not subs, and the numbers are not accurate you can say oh but they are 10% wrong or 20% wrong but that shows that you don't even know if the number are true so why would i believe something you don't even know?

The argument is that the data you keep arguing as fake is not as fake as you think it is. It is data-mined from Lodestone. You know, the thing that SE has for FFXIV characters.

The census never once said it was indicative of how many subscriptions it has. All it really does is show how many "characters" (again, not subs) have completed what, how far along they are in the MSQ, etc etc. They even go to explain what they thought was an "active character."

It is not, again, a number of how many people are subbed into the game. But a number of "characters" have done X and Y achievements. You can disbelieve this all you want. This is, for all intents and purposes, real. They didn't just pull numbers out of their behinds or make things up.