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  1. #131
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    I don't think Steps was nerfed because of new players not wanting to learn.
    I think it was nerfed because of veteran players instantly abandoning it when it popped up in Trial Roulette making it difficult for new players to progress.
    A bit of difficulty is fine so long as the community is willing to tolerate a few wipes and work through it.
    Sadly many players don't have the patience. Just yesterday in Trial roulette I had a tank instantly bail from The Chrysalis as soon as they loaded in before we even made any attempts.
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    If not, why even play the game? The story, without any effort or determination, it might as well be a movie instead. Just watch it on YouTube since the effort requirements are about the same.
    How about all the non-battle content in the game that is locked behind clearing battle content? Steps was the doorway to an entire expansion, you don't just keep part of your playerbase out of the basic components of an expansion because of git gud.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    And they learn nothing of how the game is during "current" difficulties and complain they can't beat content.
    So? Better option than keeping people out of an entire expansion that was locked behind it.
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  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moomba33 View Post
    I don't think Steps was nerfed because of new players not wanting to learn.
    I think it was nerfed because of veteran players instantly abandoning it when it popped up in Trial Roulette making it difficult for new players to progress.
    A bit of difficulty is fine so long as the community is willing to tolerate a few wipes and work through it.
    Sadly many players don't have the patience. Just yesterday in Trial roulette I had a tank instantly bail from The Chrysalis as soon as they loaded in before we even made any attempts.
    People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too
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    Last edited by bass9020; 08-27-2016 at 02:24 AM.

  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too
    Why not? You can only do roulettes after having cleared the ones on its list, so it wasn't the new people abandoning it in seconds.

    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Yes but most people not listening were people new to the fight who didn't care to accept they actually needed to do things that were important to succeed. Most are so used to not having to put effort in so they assumed SoF would be the exact same. Oh and also they pay a sub fee so they can play how they want! I love that one.
    So you want people that do not have the perfect static or rotation to stay behind forever all because of a few bad eggs you met in df? Do you understand that trying to exterminate "the bads" is only going to take casual and new players with it as the game becomes unapproachable with difficult mechanics and difficult rotations?
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    Last edited by Kallera; 08-27-2016 at 02:57 AM.

  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesteval View Post
    How about all the non-battle content in the game that is locked behind clearing battle content? Steps was the doorway to an entire expansion, you don't just keep part of your playerbase out of the basic components of an expansion because of git gud.
    You know what? You're right. You win.

    Here is my solution:

    Change all jobs to one button that does mad damage, like 999,999,999 damage regardless of gear or anything. Give all monsters, even bosses 1 HP. Lastly, turn them into statues, they don't move, they don't attack. They just sit there waiting for us to launch our death ray at them.

    Happy now?

    I got nothing else.
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    #GetSelliBack2018

    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Why not, you can only do roulettes after having cleared the ones on its list, so it wasn't the new people abandoning it in seconds.
    Yes but most people not listening were people new to the fight who didn't care to accept they actually needed to do things that were important to succeed. Most are so used to not having to put effort in so they assumed SoF would be the exact same. Oh and also they pay a sub fee so they can play how they want! I love that one.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too
    Not listening/learning is a problem as well.
    I'm just saying in my experience people instantly leaving or quitting after one wipe was more common.

    For the record I liked the original SoF but at the end of the day SE wasn't going to leave a story instance gating an expansion as a wall. We can't be surprised when SE nerfs story instances down to being doable in 1-2 tries if the community won't tolerate things taking longer.
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    You know what? You're right. You win.

    Here is my solution:

    Change all jobs to one button that does mad damage, like 999,999,999 damage regardless of gear or anything. Give all monsters, even bosses 1 HP. Lastly, turn them into statues, they don't move, they don't attack. They just sit there waiting for us to launch our death ray at them.

    Happy now?

    I got nothing else.
    No, not in the least.
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  10. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    Here is my solution:

    Change all jobs to one button that does mad damage
    You realize that's most of what Steps was? All you need is 1 button to fire the cannons, that doesn't make the entire encounter faceroll easy.
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