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  1. #151
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiyoko View Post
    That's an extreme exaggeration of the situation considering Steps of Faith was nerfed 6 weeks after it was released. Players had 3 months to beat Steps before the expansion. Steps could have been given echo/nerfed mechanics 2 weeks before the expansion if it was a concern. SE had a knee jerk reaction to the forums and it set a precedence for what was to come with most of the 3.0 content.
    As others have said, most runs collapsed before you could start cause people would rather eat a 30 minute penalty than to help new players clear the trial. If the devs went with your idea, most people would have already quit and not bother coming back regardless of a last minute nerf. It's damage control to nerf so quickly, but done to prevent a bigger problem.
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    And in that case, with the possibility to choose our own difficulty, everyone could enjoy the content based on their skills.
    And people then just pick the easiest and complain it's faceroll >_>

    It's common practice in single-player games to have various difficulties of the game simply to make it engaging and accessible to players of varying skill and dedication levels. Skyrim has a simple slider, Dragon's Dogma, Ys, Divinity:Original Sin and probably most others different modes - and nobody complains about the lack of exclusive story, items or whatever. For some reason, when you do the same in multiplayer games, people complain about "muh effort" and how people playing on a lower difficulty should get less.
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  3. #153
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    Yoshi has been saying that the FFXIV players are bad ever since the 2.0 warrior whining.

    And he wants to cater to the largest part of the game population which are the ones making the big money so... Nothing new.
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinaSel View Post
    I hope they retain challenging content.
    That's only when viable solutions for players are available. And for many players they are often considering kicking or abandoning a party over examination, because they are not in a position to analyze to the degree required, or want to kick the player for failing. Going to the other direction only enforces hostility in the name of dps, and leaving people behind in the name of progression.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 08-27-2016 at 04:15 AM.

  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    But you don't want people to have to git gud for story content?

    My git gud is different than your, different than anyone else's. So where do we draw the line? My version, your version or Tony's version over there?

    I am sure you there is one person who wants that version, so what right do we have to gate them out?
    It's not our line to draw, it's the dev's line. What did the devs do? Nerfed it. There are plenty of practical things to criticize regarding the nerf, but the concept of allowing more players to enter the expansion isn't one of them.
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  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    That's only when viable solutions for players are available. And for many players they are often considering kicking of abandoning a party over examination, because they are not in a position to analyze to that degree, or want to kick the player for failing.
    If that is the concern then give harsher punishments for leaving parties before the Duty finishes or for Roulletes they should eat the persons bonus for the day if they leave before the 1st pull so they can't just jump right back in until they get what they want 30min later. Then if a player is griefing new players in Trial Roulette then they should report them.

    Kicking has a delay already in the game, so players can't just kick new players immediately either.
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    Last edited by Kaiyoko; 08-27-2016 at 04:41 AM.

  7. #157
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesteval View Post
    It's not our line to draw, it's the dev's line. What did the devs do? Nerfed it. There are plenty of practical things to criticize regarding the nerf, but the concept of allowing more players to enter the expansion isn't one of them.
    For one, I never said that keeping players out of an expansion is a good concept.

    What I am saying is that epic fights SoF, FSoF, things like those should not be difficulty level 0.

    I still believe this to be true:

    Main villains should be atleast the difficulty level of "I should pay some attention while mindlessly mashing buttons".

    Like maybe, just maybe, do more than 500 dps at i230-something and it would be nice if you can pay enough attention that when the Diresaur is looking directly at you and winding up a haymaker for like an hour, you know, like move.

    And you are correct, it is the dev's decision and right to adjust the difficulty of content.

    You know what else is true? We are allowed to come here and voice our displeasure if we think they have gone too far.
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    Last edited by Istaru; 08-27-2016 at 04:32 AM.
    #GetSelliBack2018

    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    For one, I never said that keeping players out of an expansion is a good concept
    You may not have specifically stated that, but my entire discussion began and has been about that one concept and nothing else.
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiyoko View Post
    If that is the concern then give harsher punishments for leaving parties before the Duty finishes or for Roulletes they should eat the persons bonus for the day if they leave so they can't just jump right back in until they get what they want 30min later. Then if a player is griefing new players in Trial Roulette then they should report them.

    Kicking has a delay already in the game, so players can't just kick new players immediately either.
    I strongly disagree with that.

    For leaving within 1 or 2 minutes without engaging the fight? Ok. Leaving after 45 minutes of wiping with no real progress by the group? It is uncalled for. If that person gets a bad group, the loss of their time is punishment enough.
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    Last edited by Istaru; 08-27-2016 at 04:45 AM.
    #GetSelliBack2018

    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

  10. #160
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    We've got bigger problems than DPS rotations, I hope thats not what he is banking on. /stare scripted boss battles
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