Quote Originally Posted by Moomba33 View Post
Not listening/learning is a problem as well.
I'm just saying in my experience people instantly leaving or quitting after one wipe was more common.

For the record I liked the original SoF but at the end of the day SE wasn't going to leave a story instance gating an expansion as a wall. We can't be surprised when SE nerfs story instances down to being doable in 1-2 tries if the community won't tolerate things taking longer.
I only completed this after heavensward and in my experience people still quit out of it and nobody ever explains anything in it to new players. It must have been really frustrating before. It's like nidhogg now is the same way, people quit right when they join the fight. I think most people don't like explaining things or helping people. I went into thordan ex with a friend in duty finder before and we got to the last phase teaching new people that queued in with us before the timer expired.