Famitsu Interview - YoshiP 3 Year Anniversary Interview

[aesteval]

No one wants to restrict players from attempting content, but there are plenty of players who want to have a sense of accomplishment when completing content. Steps of Faith and Normal Mode raids were nerfed to faceroll easy that almost any group can 1 shot it with little thought. When you're first attempting a fight wiping gives you a chance to evaluate what you did wrong and try to fix it. In the example of Steps of Faith you have a massive powerful dragon attacking Ishgard. Thematicly, the odds of winning should feel low and the situation should be grim, wiping should give players the sense the magnitude of the situation. Instead players feel they're entitled to win instantly and fights are no longer impactful.

And there was a time period in which Steps was a challenge. However, at some point you just have to let people through so that they can continue the story and enter the expansion.

[bass9020]

And there was a time period in which Steps was a challenge. However, at some point you just have to let people through so that they can continue the story and enter the expansion.

And they learn nothing of how the game is during "current" difficulties and complain they can't beat content.

[Moomba33]

I don't think Steps was nerfed because of new players not wanting to learn.
I think it was nerfed because of veteran players instantly abandoning it when it popped up in Trial Roulette making it difficult for new players to progress.
A bit of difficulty is fine so long as the community is willing to tolerate a few wipes and work through it.
Sadly many players don't have the patience. Just yesterday in Trial roulette I had a tank instantly bail from The Chrysalis as soon as they loaded in before we even made any attempts.

[bass9020]

I don't think Steps was nerfed because of new players not wanting to learn.
I think it was nerfed because of veteran players instantly abandoning it when it popped up in Trial Roulette making it difficult for new players to progress.
A bit of difficulty is fine so long as the community is willing to tolerate a few wipes and work through it.
Sadly many players don't have the patience. Just yesterday in Trial roulette I had a tank instantly bail from The Chrysalis as soon as they loaded in before we even made any attempts.

People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too

[Kallera]

People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too

Why not? You can only do roulettes after having cleared the ones on its list, so it wasn't the new people abandoning it in seconds.

Yes but most people not listening were people new to the fight who didn't care to accept they actually needed to do things that were important to succeed. Most are so used to not having to put effort in so they assumed SoF would be the exact same. Oh and also they pay a sub fee so they can play how they want! I love that one.

So you want people that do not have the perfect static or rotation to stay behind forever all because of a few bad eggs you met in df? Do you understand that trying to exterminate "the bads" is only going to take casual and new players with it as the game becomes unapproachable with difficult mechanics and difficult rotations?

[bass9020]

Why not, you can only do roulettes after having cleared the ones on its list, so it wasn't the new people abandoning it in seconds.

Yes but most people not listening were people new to the fight who didn't care to accept they actually needed to do things that were important to succeed. Most are so used to not having to put effort in so they assumed SoF would be the exact same. Oh and also they pay a sub fee so they can play how they want! I love that one.

[Moomba33]

People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too

Not listening/learning is a problem as well.
I'm just saying in my experience people instantly leaving or quitting after one wipe was more common.

For the record I liked the original SoF but at the end of the day SE wasn't going to leave a story instance gating an expansion as a wall. We can't be surprised when SE nerfs story instances down to being doable in 1-2 tries if the community won't tolerate things taking longer.

[enthauptet]

Not listening/learning is a problem as well.
I'm just saying in my experience people instantly leaving or quitting after one wipe was more common.

For the record I liked the original SoF but at the end of the day SE wasn't going to leave a story instance gating an expansion as a wall. We can't be surprised when SE nerfs story instances down to being doable in 1-2 tries if the community won't tolerate things taking longer.

I only completed this after heavensward and in my experience people still quit out of it and nobody ever explains anything in it to new players. It must have been really frustrating before. It's like nidhogg now is the same way, people quit right when they join the fight. I think most people don't like explaining things or helping people. I went into thordan ex with a friend in duty finder before and we got to the last phase teaching new people that queued in with us before the timer expired.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I only completed this after heavensward and in my experience people still quit out of it and nobody ever explains anything in it to new players. It must have been really frustrating before. It's like nidhogg now is the same way, people quit right when they join the fight. I think most people don't like explaining things or helping people. I went into thordan ex with a friend in duty finder before and we got to the last phase teaching new people that queued in with us before the timer expired.

Yep. Even now, if I happen to get Steps and we wipe once, people will start complaining or drop out entirely. Of all the dungeons/trials I have done, that and Chrysalis seem to be the two people struggle with.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People not listening and totally ignoring tips and what each person role was is also an issue since everyone thought it would be face roll easy. Lets just keep blaming the vets though that works too

But let's presume each new player falls under this category, hmm? Regardless of the reason, people abandoned Steps almost every time it queued. You cannot have that when your entire expansion is gated behind completing it. Hence why they likely nerfed it.