Patch 3.38 Discussion

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

i don't see the point, if you were waiting on a 210 nerf, then your going to be just as stuck on the 240 step. The 240 step is roughly 200 roullettes to finish + 80 sands. I guess you can wait until patch 3.58 for them to nerf the 240 step but by then who even cares?!? people will have lvl 270 weapons by then.

If your not willing to put in the work to do anima while it's relevant, your way better off getting the tome weapons regardless.

[LionFranco]

Yup, looks like I'll be doing crystal tower quests again every week.

[Caitlyn]

i don't see the point, if you were waiting on a 210 nerf, then your going to be just as stuck on the 240 step.

I dont see the point of mindless grind for months for having a 210 weapon, if you can have a (better) 235+ weapon within a few days or weeks. Be smart, be patient.

[paradigmfellow]

If changing a relic step is a whole patch... I'm gonna be looking for a new game.

Do you understand the concept of a patch that is an increment in the hundred decimal place? Especially one that increased by 3.

[LineageRazor]

I believe this is the wrong mindset to have in regards to the relic. I'm going to go ahead and say it, it being equal to a raid weapon at that early point in the xpac is irrelevant (not to mention the fact that if you were a raider you got the 210 weapon way before the relic was out anyway and since you got it first, people having a 210 weapon later shouldn't matter), the relic steps should have been designed on the time of release, i.e. the first relic steps should have had an incremental difficulty increase from the beginning and gotten harder later. The excessive and painful grind should be saved for the mid to late stages, the earliest stages (up to the 210 point) should have been the easiest out of all them and THEN ramped up as you went to the 230 and to the 240.

I don't understand this mindset at all. Why does the point in the expansion pack have any bearing whatsoever? Are you saying that the final Relic OR Raid weapon in an expansion pack is somehow "ultimate" in any way? Of course it isn't - it, too, will be rendered obsolete by the next expansion pack, just a few months later.

There is NO DIFFERENCE between the 210 weapon, the 240, weapon, the 270 weapon, and whatever ilvl the first endgame weapon in the next expansion pack will be. They are ALL "ultimate" weapons for the narrow frame of time that they top the list, which means making any of them easy to get is a terrible idea.

I might be willing to grant that they waited too long to apply the nerf to this stage, but for the 210 stage to be as rough as it was was entirely reasonable. It was troublesome enough to get folks enthusiastic about the hellishly difficult Alexander Gordius Savage raids (whether Savage was too difficult or not is a debate for another thread); allowing for an easily-accessed 210 weapon would have been the nail in the coffin.

Bottom line, it's a mistake to think of any stage of the relic weapon to be just another step in the process to some ultimate stage that hasn't been implemented yet. Whatever the final stage is at any given time - THAT is the ultimate Relic weapon.

[Khalithar]

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I do believe that whatever weapon you get at the very end of the relic grind should be special in some way. Now obviously it will be replaceable, but for all the work that went in to it? Then yes I think it needs something special about it visually at the very least on top of whatever title I'm sure will accompany it. I also don't think it's a mistake to view each relic as a step in a process because every relic IS a step in a process towards the next one outside of whatever the penultimate last step is and I do think they should be designed with that in mind. Finally, I still believe that the difficulty curve for the relic should have been a steady incremental climb rather than what they implemented.

The 210 step should have been made easier, the 230 step should have been more difficult, the 240 step more difficult than that, the next ilevel more difficult than that and so on and so forth. There would have been absolutely nothing wrong with them making the 210 an easier step than it was followed by ramping up the difficulty (again, in increments, not exponentially) if you wanted to keep building up that weapon.

[LunaFaye]

I love how some people still hate the amount it requires. Reminds me of the book nerf with the 2.x relics, soon we probably get 1 item requirement, please look forward to it, hai. On a serious note, I do love it for my alts since I've grinded more than one weapon on my main, I wasn't planning doing it on any other character/job. But with the changes I don't mind getting another one

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I dont see the point of mindless grind for months for having a 210 weapon, if you can have a (better) 235+ weapon within a few days or weeks. Be smart, be patient.

Exactly, which is kinda why i think this nerf is really dumb. You can get a gimp rusty old relic that was only good in 3.1 or you can do palace of the dead for a weapon 25 item levels higher..... what is the point in this nerf in the first place?

The only people that really benefit are people that just recently joined the game, aren't we-wants, and would actually be willing to do the 240 step pre-nerf. Which i'd imagine is a small percentage.

I give it roughly 2 weeks before we get a flood of "ermergerd, the 240 step is too hard" threads. Meanwhile, I'm already done with my 240 anima because i didn't wait for nerfs.

[Vaer]

The length of the steps is usually related to the savage raid and unless they change how they tune that I doubt it would be any different the next time around.

230 being more difficult than 210 would have been pointless since the 230 tome weapon was released around the same time (if you kept up with the gears) which is why it wasn't as crushing as the 210 step. It would run into the same problem as the 210, not being worth the effort to many people.

When 240 was released the only other way to get that ilvl weapon was to beat A7S. They have less reasons to nerf it right now because of custom stats and it's a bit better than a stock 240 weapon (3 tier V materia melded additional stats vs 2 slots on stock tome 240 that you have to pay for yourself IIRC) even if the upgrade item is out now without requiring A7S. It's definitely a miniscule difference though.

Perhaps they should have slowly nerfed it like the zodiac was in increments instead of butchering it in one go if they were just going to nerf it eventually.

The relic being the way it is also gives some relevance to EX primal weapons as in between weapons or even upgrades if you don't bother doing the relic at all. 210 slog vs Seph 220 weapon. 240 slog vs 235 nidhogg weapon.

They might be more open to nerfing the 240 step sooner since the savage weapon this time around is 245. Who knows though.

[bounddreamer]

I'm excited about this. I've had an Awoken Atlas sitting on a retainer for ages waiting for me to get done with my WAR and SCH relics, then when my raid team needed me to MT, I got a PLD relic too. As someone who is working on getting a third relic to 240, I'm really happy about this nerf. It's so good I'll probably get a few more relics I wanted but couldn't bear to grind through this step to get.