Thread: Patch 3.38 Discussion

Anyone else upset with the lack of addition of a 245 relic? Cause if we get a 250 in 3.4, then the primal will pretty much be dead on arrival compared to a weapon where you can pick your own stats. Also an upgrade would have been something to do waiting for 3.4.

Originally Posted by Phafi

Anyone else upset with the lack of addition of a 245 relic? Cause if we get a 250 in 3.4, then the primal will pretty much be dead on arrival compared to a weapon where you can pick your own stats. Also an upgrade would have been something to do waiting for 3.4.

Because that is meant to happen. 3.4 will give us a "short phase" relic from i240 to i250 so the Lore weapon now more accesible gets irrelevant so people farm the new tomestone for a i+250 new tomestone or the newer relic.

Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

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So you're open to the idea of having content DOA rather than spreading it out?

Originally Posted by Phafi

So you're open to the idea of having content DOA rather than spreading it out?

Content is already dead on arrival. And their relevance gets shorter and shorter. There is no reason to do absolutely anything anymore because:

1.- It takes too long.
2.- Its too grindy.
3.- Next patch will make shorter.

If content took less time to access, gear took less time to get and was much less grindy, people would replay the stuff much more, making content to last longer. That illusion of "long term goals keep content alive for longer" is that, an illusion. The easier things are to get, the more they are played and replayed, on top of that focus on making them fun (2.0 relic quest) and people would replay it much more, probably even do it for alt-classes, keeping content relevant for much longer.

Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

If content took less time to access, gear took less time to get and was much less grindy, people would replay the stuff much more, making content to last longer. That illusion of "long term goals keep content alive for longer" is that, an illusion. The easier things are to get, the more they are played and replayed, on top of that focus on making them fun (2.0 relic quest) and people would replay it much more, probably even do it for alt-classes, keeping content relevant for much longer.

Are we the only two here who found the 2.0 relic quests fun? Because there was little grind involved (beat 6 of these 3 enemies) and it was challenging. (When it was released then.)

Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

If content took less time to access, gear took less time to get and was much less grindy, people would replay the stuff much more, making content to last longer. That illusion of "long term goals keep content alive for longer" is that, an illusion. The easier things are to get, the more they are played and replayed, on top of that focus on making them fun (2.0 relic quest) and people would replay it much more, probably even do it for alt-classes, keeping content relevant for much longer.

Its so true. With vertical progression like this, we need stuff that is less grindy. By the time you get it, its lifespan is that much shorter. That and most players are playing alt jobs and would LOVE to gear up more than 1 main class, tome cap limits included.

Most of the nerfs were expected, but what surprised me the most was that they made HQ items available from the GCs. They more or less "nerfed" that step by making the items no longer needing specialized crafters. As far as I know they didn't make the items from desynth (ARR era relic) available in other ways as a form of nerf, so why this?

They really need to stop making crafters needed in these relic steps if this is what they'll end up doing.

Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

- Design desision arround gear progression.
- The need of this kind of geargrind.
- The "content draught" vs "content burning" paradox.
- Reward vs Patch Timing.
- Effects over the replayability and relevance of gear and content due to this decision.
- Impact of the above over the game capability to keep playerbase interested.

There is a lot to discuss about this patch note considering the context it arrives in, and this discussion will further expand during 3.4, and probably get even more relevance depending on how the progression for the last installement of Alexander works, what will the next step of the relic be and how will the Diadem come out of all of this.

Subjective.