Older Content Should still be relevant.

[Deliciou5]

Are you seriously going to try to argue that 40 people is somehow a significant number of people relative to the people playing?

I could get my whole FC of 60 people to agree with me too, does that make my argument more valid than yours? Of course not. You're literally pulling numbers out of your ass.

First of all, i didn't know my brother logged into his account "hotwingscoldbeer" account using the same computer so i replied using his account by accident, so my apologies, i meant to post using this account.

Secondly, there is a vast majority of players who have been playing since the beginning who never cleared the hard content at all, let alone the HUNDREDS of new players i see in the past few months who never ever got a chance to do the content in its best possible form. There is always greater number of new players and players who never cleared the content at all. Why are you so against a horizontal end game system? Please explain why you being sick of it invalidates other players who are not sick of it at all of doing it the hard way and wanting progression at the same time.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

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Yes there are always more new players. But you do realize that the Savage raiding scene represents, at most, 1-2% of the entire FFXIV community? The people who\\'ve been here and haven\\'t done hard content yet, do so by CHOICE. They see no reason to follow the grind of the gear treadmill.

So even if, yes, new players are joining, the majority of them won\\'t touch Savage. Not because it\\'s disinteresting or outdated, but because they just don\\'t want to do it. Raiding requires time, dedication, and team coordination, something that the "casual" crowd of FFXIV usually don\\'t have. I know plenty of people who only craft, or only log in for dailies and see raiding as pointless or too stressful.

[Deliciou5]

Yes there are always more new players. But you do realize that the Savage raiding scene represents, at most, 1-2% of the entire FFXIV community? The people who\\'ve been here and haven\\'t done hard content yet, do so by CHOICE. They see no reason to follow the grind of the gear treadmill.

So even if, yes, new players are joining, the majority of them won\\'t touch Savage. Not because it\\'s disinteresting or outdated, but because they just don\\'t want to do it. Raiding requires time, dedication, and team coordination, something that the "casual" crowd of FFXIV usually don\\'t have. I know plenty of people who only craft, or only log in for dailies and see raiding as pointless or too stressful.

Fair point, however alot of people do want to do it but never got a good group and it'snot 1.2% who attempt savage, its just that under 10% who clear it. In the end having cross server friends list and party finder would increase that number significantly. You are using past examples where i am trying to introduce a whole new system where is easier to get parties and add incentive for players to do harder content more. In the end players who get a wide variety of hard content would be much better than only receiving a few fights, my ideas are to expand end game, not to limit it to a select few.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

In the end my ideas, if you read them, offers many different opportunities to cap savage tomestones in a variety of ways that you may not mind all. You seem to be only worried about yourself, yet you basically tell me to stop living in the past....BECAUSE YOU don't want to do it...in the end your arguments are based on your on self interest and no one elses.

I'm gonna start off by saying, don't put words in my mouth. If you're going to quote me, do it correctly.

you basically tell me to stop living in the past....

I did not say this nor imply it.

Next, whats so different from you shoving what you want down other peoples throats. So what, I don't agree with you. Make a better point than "I couldn't play 2 years ago, so make this thing relevant so I can do it the way it was back then". And what I said in my previous post is that, you can! Use the Party Finder and look for people to do the content you want to do, the way you want to do it. If you have problems finding like minded people on your server, Well that's not my fault. When you que in duty finder it does what you ask for already, just you are put at the mercy of the RNG gods as to the people you get.

[Deliciou5]

I'm gonna start off by saying, don't put words in my mouth. If you're going to quote me, do it correctly.

I did not say this nor imply it.

Next, whats so different from you shoving what you want down other peoples throats. So what, I don't agree with you. Make a better point than "I couldn't play 2 years ago, so make this thing relevant so I can do it the way it was back then". And what I said in my previous post is that, you can! Use the Party Finder and look for people to do the content you want to do, the way you want to do it. If you have problems finding like minded people on your server, Well that's not my fault. When you que in duty finder it does what you ask for already, just you are put at the mercy of the RNG gods as to the people you get.

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Please stop ignoring the points that are inconvenient to you, such as...ITS VERY HARD TO GET DECENT PARTY FOR HARDER CONTENT SO IT NEEDS SOME KIND OF ENG GAME INCENTIVE.Then maybe we can talk.

You can't just be coy and go "TECHNICALLY YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR WAY! YOU CAN TOTALLY DO IT TECHNICALLY THAT MUST BE ENOUGH!" Well its not, its already hard to find party for current relevant content let alone get a party for content that is not relevant at all. Yet everyone keeps ignoring these points. Alot of these newer players want to work on progression since they are so far behind, but the TOTALLY DO want to do older content. as long as their isa incentive to spend countless hours of their time learning the content. Which is the whole point, to accommodate everyone, not just the select 1-2% someone claims is the sample size.

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth i just thought alot of people just sound as ignorant as each other. " I ALREADY DID THE CONTENT SO NO ONE ELSE CAN ENJOY IT THE SAME WAY BECAUSE I ALREADY DID IT AND AM SICK OF IT!...As long as you defend this point you are the same to me, which is why i get you confused. I am not trying to be mean, but alot of people seem to only be worried about not helping the community out and not letting others experience the content the same way they did and only worrying about themselves, so i get kinda irritated by the blatant selfish of the posts. SINCE I AM WILLING TO SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS ON END for older content the hard way, as long as everyone has their decent end game incentive.

I will be sacrificing my time effort to help others through this OLD content for people's pure enjoyment(with the incentive getting alot of people to actually join for it)...can you say the same? Its intent that makes me so assured about what i am saying, maybe its the curse of being an old school mmo gamer to the core and are actually willing to spend my time to help others and worry about others rather than myself.

To clarify i would still do these fights even if there is no incentive, but i am not in the majority in that, so thats why we need an incentive such as savage tomestones. I honestly feel like i am repeating myself, people keep trying to s say i am forcing my ideas down their throats, but i honestly don't know how else to get a idea implemented unless people agree/and or i make compelling points. So in the end this particular points sounds silly, please explain how else on the forums i go about getting square enix to implement one of the my ideas. There will always resistance to change....this is no different.

[KatsuraJun]

Use the Party Finder and look for people to do the content you want to do, the way you want to do it. If you have problems finding like minded people on your server, Well that's not my fault.

He's asking for this change so it's easier to find like-minded people because right now it's fairly difficult to do so, especially depending on your server.

I don't agree with making it relevant in a gear sense, but there should be some kind of incentive for running it sync'd because as it is, most people just unsyc it for the story and glamours. It's not untrue about what he says - it's essentially wasted content that's rotting there right now left to be forgotten by the vast majority of the playerbase, which is a shame given its prior status as something a lot of people tried to clear, even if only a small number actually did so. If only 1-2% of players try to clear Alexander Savage, then not even half of that try to still clear Coils without unsyncing, and the same thing is going to happen to Alexander come next expansion.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

I would be okay with it if it gave whatever gear level that Palace of the Dead is giving that patch. It would be great as a "catch-up" mechanic and would genuinely allow players to somewhat queue for older content, but it definitely shouldn't be easy to get and it would require level sync. This way, it's not relevant for players who probably played the ever loving piss out of that content when it came out, and it would help close the gear gap between patches. I would have a hard time justifying it past that purpose as having it give some of the best gear in the game or just under the best gear in the game is definitely not the way to go.

I would also like to point out Deliciou5 that shoving your opinion down other people's throats is not going to make you popular when you already have a very loathed suggestion for the game.

[Deliciou5]

I would be okay with it if it gave whatever gear level that Palace of the Dead is giving that patch. It would be great as a "catch-up" mechanic and would genuinely allow players to somewhat queue for older content, but it definitely shouldn't be easy to get and it would require level sync. This way, it's not relevant for players who probably played the ever loving piss out of that content when it came out, and it would help close the gear gap between patches. I would have a hard time justifying it past that purpose as having it give some of the best gear in the game or just under the best gear in the game is definitely not the way to go.

I would also like to point out Deliciou5 that shoving your opinion down other people's throats is not going to make you popular when you already have a very loathed suggestion for the game.

I can see why people would think i am shoving my opinion down people's throat, but at the same time i feel a need to defend my ideas. But i do understand and i should let other people have their day too and not try to change their minds. My bad.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Look, you can do the content however you want in this game, I'm not stopping anyone. But lets get a few things straight...

If we add a new tomestome, wether its to incetivise doing what you want people to do or not, people will feel forced to do it especially if it helps raiding. I have enough things to do, and my time is important. If you want to spend your time helping people, thats fine, thats not how I spend my time, and I don't want a new tomestone to help drive people to do these things, thats just 1 more thing to worry about capping every week or month or w/e. You need to find something else.

Just to go back, I would like to not be called ignorant. Just because I didn't agree with your idea, doesn't mean I'm bashing it. There are things in place in the game to let you play it how you are asking. I'm sorry if I spoke bluntly, but a lot of times its needed to drive the point home. While I understand lower pop servers have problems with finding people in Party finder to run these things, Duty finder already exsists with everything you're asking for, and is cross server. But lets face it, just because you want to do it, and maybe a few others voiced their want to have a way to experience old content as fresh content because its not relevant anymore, doesn't mean you should force the people who have been around from the begining of the games launch to cater to the new people. I've done it all already, a lot actually, pony farming, farming coil for glams and drops, and even now, I'm spamming older heavensward content for birds, bismark.. thordan.. A4S for a mount and all things in between. Either way, I don't want to do any more super old content, and I don't want to see any kind of incentive that will force me to do it like a new tomestone, other rewards I'd be okay with.. glams, mounts, minions or what have you..

It's not untrue about what he says - it's essentially wasted content that's rotting there right now left to be forgotten by the vast majority of the playerbase, which is a shame given its prior status as something a lot of people tried to clear.

This is bound to happen no matter what. Every MMO ever has had this happen. Wow has 10 years of backlogged content, and as far as I know, they don't get anything special for clearing that stuff outside of glamours...

[asheryon]

i like the idea op suggests, i ve been on the two sides of the coin, i started playing back at 2.2 and was able to do content as was intended, then created another character back at 3.0 and then, it turned impossible to run things, nobody wants to run synced as there is no reward (i do, i only play the game for the little challenge it can offer, lets face it ff xiv its a very easy and simple game) as for some arguments i ve seen here:
"find a pf or fc that helps you": i couldnt convince my fc to help me synced, imagine to convince random strangers, some like the challenge but they simply wont waste their time for no chance of reward for a stranger.
"the new tomestones would force players to do that content": not really, the idea of those new tomes would be to add a new alternate way to get things (not to eliminate the ones existing), actually you can get great equipment from savage and as for weapons goes, you can use savage or relic and be good, this would represent another alternative to those and of course each piece would require lots of tomes so it would still be convenient to do savage more than this roulettes (but its an option to people like me that like to run every content as hardcore as possible).
"use df": not too much people (waits of 2hs or more) and if it pops most of the people will be new.....disaster; the idea op suggests is not only for new people to do content as was intended but for those of us who enjoyed it back then to be able to re do it without being a cake and getting rewarded in the process, in other words just as some of you choose to get equiped doing savage (or void arks, or relics or etc) i choose geting equiped by doing every type of raid at the maximun difficulty possible while giving an opportunity to the newcomers to do it as well.
this way lots of people who would like to play the content (new or old) but doesnt feel like it because its unrewarding and time consuming will be able to do it.