Older Content Should still be relevant.

[Deliciou5]

When i play this game....i think to myself....why can't i run content how its' supposed to be run? Why can't i run the hardest possible version of this content and still have it be relevant? It bothers me that so much content goes to waste for newer players or players who never ran this content before, and they dont get to truly appreciate the content the way that it was when it was first released.There is a lot of players that are sick of running older content because they ran it a hundred times....but...there is even MORE players who never really ever got to run the content at all...and when you do its just simply pushover undersized parties with over leveled gear. So my suggestions are this.


1. Add a "savage" tomestone that is always relevant that can always buy decent end game items, like highest tier Materia, or tokens from savage from content you already cleared...if you beat midas 1 then you can use your savage tomes to buy some manifestos from savage 1 since you cleared it...but not the other 3 since you haven't cleared it. And other stuff like crafting items that can create best in slot gear maybe? But limited to savge tomestones so they wont even come close to flooding the market since savage tomestones will take alot of effort to obtain.

2. Add harder roulette's for end gamers like savage primal roulette( that require a premade party with the hardest possible version of each primal for all time till the end of the game regardless of what new expansions introduced.) or revamped 4 man dungeons that require 8 people instead, or require you to do the dungeon with 4 but at the very minimun ilvl and the bosses have new mechanics so you can reuse all this older great content and have players have some mid core content to always have access to that require a modicum of skill and have players experience the hardest possible version of them...instead of just simply a handful of fights at most that actually require skill or effort(ie. the latest primal or the latest savage).There is so much wasted potential in older content when dungeons are not even close to cap when they are first introduced and you are already over leveled for them...or stuff like coil that alot of players never experience and the only way to do them is to do them UNDERSIZED.

3.Have a cross server friends list and party finder where you can invite people to your party from cross server to make it easier to get groups for harder content since not all servers have equal population of hardcore players making it much harder for players to get groups.

4.Make it so savage tomes or w/e are on a MONTHLY CAP, so players dont feel burnt on doing the content too much, have weekly rewards for doing savage primal roulette and savage dungeon roulette and savage alex, and savage coil roulette on a weekly lockout.You won't need to do this every week once you cap for the month so you only need to do them so much every month, and all the players doing the roulette will already have cleared the content so you won't get many bad parties for cross server duty finder for harder content.

In the end we should have INCENTIVES to do older harder content the HARD WAY instead of having all this content be pushover content through undersized and no one is interested in doing it cause they don't want the frustration for no gain.

Add something like savage tomestones that are always relevant regardless of what expansion or update your on. Add incentives to do older content the hard way so newer players who never got the chance to do the content that way can have a chance..whats the point of constantly making content obsolete and overly easy for newer players and not reusing that content as you should for newer and older players alike... you overall have ALOT OF CONTENT TO DRAW FROM for end game..instead of just a few fights. Why not reuse awesome fun fights in a new creative way that adds to pool of fight for overall endgame instead of constantly making things obsolete?

[amihavingfunyet]

In the end we should have INCENTIVES to do older harder content the HARD WAY instead of having all this content be pushover content through undersized and no one is interested in doing it cause they don't want the frustration for no gain.

Could it be that people don't want to run the same content for years on end?
If you wanted to do it when it was relevant, why didn't you do it?
If you want a challenge now, why not start with the current savage tier?
Isn't knowing that you didn't get carried by level/gear enough incentive to do content "the hard way" (granted we'll never get the unnerfed version of normal coils back)?
Surely if all new players want to experience it, it shouldn't be hard to get 8 people together.

[Deliciou5]

You do understand that there is many new players who never were interested in the game back then...but are now? I only offering a idea that makes endgame more horizontal and have more options. If you don't want to run older content, you don't have to...especially if already run it a hundred times, but keep in minds there is even more players who haven't run it at all. Even if you were playing when the content was still relevant , how many players you think on your server got to run final coil in it hardests form...Alexander savage Gordias 3/4? Not as many as you think...In the end this content should constantly remain relevant not just some of the time.

It is very ignorant to think everyone is like you and should have a time machine and/or a decent static to run this content with while it was still relevant when it was first released. In the end you miss the point completley if you think others shouldn't have the chance to run the content at its best.If they want to run the content bad enough they should find a 8 man party? Alot of people never even had the chance even though they were playing when the content was still relelvant, in no way should they have to put their progress on hold to get a 8 man party for NO GAIN AT ALL when its already hard to get a decent party for content that is still relevant. Well some news for you....people don't even give obsolete content a chance unless there is a reason to run them...hence my savage tomestones idea.

Think outside yourself, for the players who never got a chance. Who cares if your sick of it...in the end there is always more players who never even got a single chance.

[Ronaldus]

Older content is more relevant in FFXIV than older content in any other game that I know of. Just because certain dungeons/raids that you want to do right now aren't popular, doesn't mean it won't be when the next relic weapon step comes out.

[Deliciou5]

Older content is more relevant in FFXIV than older content in any other game that I know of. Just because certain dungeons/raids that you want to do right now aren't popular, doesn't mean it won't be when the next relic weapon step comes out.

The relevance of relics comes and goes,i am talking about a more permanent solution. I want to be able to run level synced final coil ANYTIME and have it matter for something. It also makes players feel like there is actually a decent size of content available, instead of just a few fights...you get to end game and you realize there is not a lot to choose from. I want people's options to be expanded. With my idea, you wouldn't have to run Coil if your sick of it...since you could easily do savage primals,savage dungeons or savage Alexander instead to cap out your monthly tomes.


I think having a great amount of options with more being added all the time (IE. alex part 3 and whatever the next expansion has to offer) will make players feel like there is a wealth of awesome content once they get to end game, after the boring grind to 60/70. Instead of going "really nidhogg/sephirot and 4 fights from alex are the only relevant content?" Not only is it extremely hard to find a GOOD party on my server, its also very hard to find a party at all, which is why i suggested cross server PF and cross server friends list. I believe all these things would make end game much more attractive, and people could create new goals for themselves after they conquer alexander, or coil or primals, or w/e.

That's why you see so many players burn out and not come back, which is also why i see so MANY new players on my server cause space has opened up from all the ones that quit or changed servers from lack of good Party finder parties.

There is a wealth of content already there that SE has worked hard on, yet its sitting there stagnating instead of being put to good use. Horizontal end game wouldn't be so bad, if you already know a hard fight you can get some easy tomes, or you can do the most relevant content that drops the best gear directly...for example alex part 3 coming out next update. You won't have to keep doing the same thing every week ,or every month there would be room to change it up.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Think outside yourself, for the players who never got a chance. Who cares if your sick of it...

Stop thinking of yourself and forcing your ideas onto people... now that that's been said..

Old content does not need to have any incentives to do it. No one is stopping you from doing the content as it was intended. Use the party finder, get a group, set the min ilvl and lvl 50, and have at it. If you can't find 8 like minded people, how is that my or anyone else's problem? Use the Party finder, and do it, there's no need to add more bullshit just because you want to experience the game the way it was 2 years ago.

[Hotwingscoldbeer]

Stop thinking of yourself and forcing your ideas onto people... now that that's been said..

Old content does not need to have any incentives to do it. No one is stopping you from doing the content as it was intended. Use the party finder, get a group, set the min ilvl and lvl 50, and have at it. If you can't find 8 like minded people, how is that my or anyone else's problem? Use the Party finder, and do it, there's no need to add more bullshit just because you want to experience the game the way it was 2 years ago.

Wow...just wow.In the end its like you don't even read any of my points. In the end no one can force you to do anything, so..wtf? You tell me i am only thinking of myself? Try a new free company where 80% of it's members are BRAND NEW TO THIS GAME. Please stop being ignorant.

What i want is to do the fights in the hardest possible version and still have a reason to do it for progression, and if you do end game at all on any patch its extremely hard to get a good party without a decent static. Let alone the fact that most of my statics don't want to log in every week to do the content so we are constantly looking for reps...which leads to the static falling apart. Its very hard to find a good group. I am certiantly trying to get this idea noticed by SE....but i am not trying to force anyone to do anything, its your choice in the end even if they do implement my ideas, no one is duck taping the controller to your hands and forcing you to do anything at gunpoint. So who cares if i have my own vision of making end game content more diverse and better according to all the new players who are not sick of coil or older content.

In the end my ideas, if you read them, offers many different opportunities to cap savage tomestones in a variety of ways that you may not mind all. You seem to be only worried about yourself, yet you basically tell me to stop living in the past....BECAUSE YOU don't want to do it...in the end your arguments are based on your on self interest and no one elses. Only so many people have beaten the harder fights, you are not in the majority.And even if you get people who already cleared harder content, there is many people who actually are good at making friends and helping noobs out who wouldn't mind using their expertise helping scrubs out learning these older fights, its called...being a part of the community and making friends. Something that is sorely lacking this game.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

You seem to be only worried about yourself, yet you basically tell me to stop living in the past....BECAUSE YOU don't want to do it...in the end your arguments are based on your on self interest and no one elses. .

That's pretty hypocritical.

[Hotwingscoldbeer]

That's pretty hypocritical.

The difference is that i have about 40 people who want to do older content AND HAVE IT MATTER TO END GAME PROGRESSION and you're making arguments only for yourselves, because you expect people to have time machines and not have the same experience you did because your afraid of OPTIONAL CONTENT BEING ADDED TO THE GAME.

In the end, you want to use word gymnastics to justify how selfish you are, while i speaking for a larger group who would love my ideas to be implemented.(and its not just my free company, that is simply only the immediate example i can bring up let alone the countless people throughout my linkeshells and my friendslist and other fc's who are new to the game that feel the same way.)

[Ashelia_Ferron]

The difference is that i have about 40 people who want to do older content AND HAVE IT MATTER TO END GAME PROGRESSION and you're making arguments only for yourselves, because you expect people to have time machines and not have the same experience you did because your afraid of OPTIONAL CONTENT BEING ADDED TO THE GAME.

In the end, you want to use word gymnastics to justify how selfish you are, while i speaking for a larger group who would love my ideas to be implemented.

Are you seriously going to try to argue that 40 people is somehow a significant number of people relative to the people playing?

I could get my whole FC of 60 people to agree with me too, does that make my argument more valid than yours? Of course not. You're literally pulling numbers out of your ass.