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    KaitlanKela's Avatar
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    Kekela Kela
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    No, you're absolutely right. they have a right to be bad.

    But they don't have a right to be objectively bad and simultaneously claim they are good and try to persuade people that lazy play is actually good play.

    And I do have the right to kick them (I personally wouldn't unless they were prohibitively bad at healing to the point where we couldn't clear, but I do have a right to). And I respect other people's right to as well, and I'm not going to judge them or call them expletives for it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaitlanKela View Post
    No, you're absolutely right. they have a right to be bad.

    But they don't have a right to be objectively bad and simultaneously claim they are good and try to persuade people that lazy play is actually good play.

    And I do have the right to kick them (I personally wouldn't unless they were prohibitively bad at healing to the point where we couldn't clear, but I do have a right to). And I respect other people's right to as well, and I'm not going to judge them or call them expletives for it either.
    Yes, no one is saying that Healers can't be bad or terrible at the game.
    The issue is the entire "being bad is totally good" that Healers and only Healers have.

    If I'm a juggler, and I suck, no one is going to pay me to juggle. I can juggle all I want, but when I do it in front of others badly, I would expect them to laugh or tell me I'm terrible. I wouldn't argue that actually I'm a super amazing juggler and I'm the best at juggling.
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    If I'm a juggler, and I suck, no one is going to pay me to juggle. I can juggle all I want, but when I do it in front of others badly, I would expect them to laugh or tell me I'm terrible. I wouldn't argue that actually I'm a super amazing juggler and I'm the best at juggling.
    No one says that. What we say is that people should not laugh and tell that you're terrible, or even remove you from what you're doing, because at the very least, you're doing the minimum required by keeping people alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    No one says that. What we say is that people should not laugh and tell that you're terrible, or even remove you from what you're doing, because at the very least, you're doing the minimum required by keeping people alive.
    That's pretty much exactly what the zero DPS healers have said.
    "I'm great at my job, really good at it" despite being objectively terrible.
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    Karasu Suki
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    That's pretty much exactly what the zero DPS healers have said.
    "I'm great at my job, really good at it" despite being objectively terrible.
    A healer that can't effectively DPS while healing ain't a good healer by any objective measure.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by AristocraticCorgi View Post
    A healer that can't effectively DPS while healing ain't a good healer by any objective measure.
    Not one time have I heard anyone bark at a healer for not DPSing either running as one or with them. When I have heard healers get barked at when running as one or with one: When the tank dies and/or they die and freakin Cleric is up. It drives people batsh*t. On the contrary, healers who let people die because they are too busy DPSing need to hang up their healers robe. They fail as healer.
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