DPSing as a healer

[Fevelle]

Keeping people alive only is not bare minimum lol. Hell, I would prefer if the healer was spamming Stone WITHOUT cleric stance in between healing. Do you know why? because it tells me the player is actively engaged in the dungeon just as much as I am in either tank or DPS (i.e. keeping the GCDs rolling, THAT is the bare minimum expected). What people have been trying to tell you why ONLY healing is terrible is because you will have these massive stretches of time that you literally stand around and do nothing, either that or they are massively overhealing to no effect.

What you "prefer" or not doesn't matter in the DF unless the other 3 people have the same mindset. The same way people can kick non-dpsing healers for not dpsing, you can be kicked if you get a party that doesn't agree with heal DPS (see Reddit for lots of screenshots of this happening). I'll just add my last bit to this before unsubscribing the thread:

Chill out. You're not gonna die if a DF healer doesn't DPS as well as not gonna die if a DF tank loses hate one or two times. You have the right to be picky, but try not to be rude or badmouth players. You think they suck (and maybe you're right), but there's no way to know who or what is going on the other side of the screen. This applies to every aspect. Do your best, expect the least. Maybe the other players are also doing their best, even if you think it's underwhelming. Remember this game has a huge playerbase of retro gamers and very conservative players, and also keep in mind that level in this game doesn't mean knowledge about game mechanics (you can be level 60 by doing FATES), so even if you find something "awful" in level 60 content, give them the benefit of the doubt and show some empathy before pointing directions or fingers.

Should we helicopter over them and babysit them and carry them because it's our sacred duty to let them be bad because they mustn't die for any reason?

Yes and yes. And If they do die you should raise them as much as needed. That's what you signed for by healing. To see this in your party window and while asking yourself "how the hell are these people dying like this", to keep doing your thing without dropping the instance, kicking or harassing anyone because you got "bad players".

[KaitlanKela]

You know what's really annoying, being accused of things you didn't say. Like assuming I'm ride to people and call then out and harass them in dungeons. Just because i feel I have a right to (they're saying they're doing obviously nothing), doesn't mean I actually do. In fact, I've only ever said that I don't mention it and I just deal with people for 40 minutes. If that's all you're asking for than what exactly is your problem?

And you didn't address my point. Am I going raise the stupid dps that stood in the crap. Yes. I always do. Am I not going to dps because I have to hover over people and prevent them from making stupid mistakes? No. I can expect some level of competency in DF and if they're not actually that competent they can have a raise instead.

But it's easier to keep straw manning us all and accusing us of being mean people when all we've ever wanted is to make the run faster and smoother for everyone involved and we're thinking of people other than ourselves.

[Fevelle]

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I'm sorry if It came out like focused on you because I quoted you, it was more of a general comment, adressing some type of players who think less skilled ones should "just give up and find another game to play", and it's not your case.

Have a nice game everyone, I think we have enough threads of this matter by now and I'll try not to bump this again.

[Seoulstar]

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So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted. Also, if you're talking about when you asked one healer and they just said they're lazy..I'm sorry. But that's a terrible excuse. I guess I should assume every pusher that wants a healer to dps is just some ass who doesn't listen to anyone else and think they're right about everything. Of course it's silly to assume that and there are people who genuinely want to help someone become better...but I'm just not seeing that here.

[Taika]

So basically this just boils down to people and their "precious" time being wasted.

No, this boils down to being respectful towards your group members by actually contributing instead of doing nothing. What people are saying is doing nothing half the time is not an acceptable level of contribution or something that should be encouraged by saying "you're doing enough if everyone stays alive". Because very often doing absolutely nothing is enough for people to stay alive. Again:



And the related point is, that even if a person's active contribution of something isn't required to clear an instance, that's not a good reason to not actively contribute. You can clear any instance in the game with a BRD who doesn't sing or a tank who doesn't do any DPS, that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to not sing and not do any DPS, and most of all that's not a good argument to claim that they're playing well (or even well enough) if they refuse to do those things. Because saying that is actively encouraging bad play, and that doesn't benefit anyone.

[Seoulstar]

No, this boils down to being respectful towards your group members by actually contributing instead of doing nothing.

The thing is, the healer is still doing something. The healer is healing the team. They are still contributing to the team by keeping them alive. If you call that "doing nothing" then it's clear we have two different ideas on the same phrase. Either way, I still fail to understand why people are blowing this up to be something bigger than it needs to be. It's not a savage raid, it's just a dungeon. It's not going to kill you if you get a healer that doesn't dps and it's not them being disrespectful. I've encountered plenty of healers that didn't dps and politely asked if that was ok. And no one threw a fit over it. I wish the people in this thread could do the same.

[Genaxx]

Today im going to just hold aggro as a tank and not dps.

[Seoulstar]

Today im going to just hold aggro as a tank and not dps.

And I will bet no one will come to the forums and whine about it. Because they most likely won't care.

[Taika]

The thing is, the healer is still doing something. The healer is healing the team. They are still contributing to the team by keeping them alive.

No, I mean literally doing nothing. As in not using actions, standing still or being on /follow on tank (like the SCH in my example). Because you aren't required to do anything at all for the whole party to survive way too many fights (or just AoE regen the party and regen the tank and then you could afk and everyone will be alive). So if you focus on just keeping your party alive in those fights or in those parts of the fight where no one is taking any damage, you are doing nothing. You are not contributing in any way.

And if you choose to heal when that's not required, you're at least doing something, but you're not doing something useful - in other words you're not contributing in a meaningful way. You're like a BLM who chooses to spam Physic on a full HP tank when you could and should be doing damage.

[FinaSel]

Here is how I see it.

Imagine you work at an store and your job is to answer customer's questions.
You have a steady stream of customers, but you are doing your job so well that you've handled every customer's request completely and the store is currently empty.
Now you have some free time.

You KNOW that some other people at your office could use some help with other things though, and you DO have the knowledge and skills to help them.
(Just like a healer has plenty of DPS skills.)
You KNOW that helping them with their job during your free time will make the office more efficient overall.
(Like a healer DPSing would making killing mobs faster and dungeon runs quicker.)
Now, you could use your free time to help other people do their jobs too. After all, it is within your ability to do so.

Or, you can just sit back and do nothing, because, after all, that is THEIR job and NOT YOUR job.

Let's imagine your boss came to you and said: "Hey, I see that you have completed all your work for the moment and you look like you have some free time on your hands. Would you mind helping Bob out with his work? We'd finish a lot faster if you did. But if a customer comes in with a question, you can prioritize them."
(Just like a healer can prioritize heals when necessary.)

Would you say "No. Why do I have to help Bob? That's not MY job. Why should I have to help other people with their jobs? I have my own job to do." (Except right now there is nothing for you TO do)
Because if you said that, not only could you forget about a promotion, but you're likely to be laid off.

I can't even imagine someone saying "Why should I have to do that? That's not my job" at an office.
If you have time to help others to make things go smoothly, especially when you and everyone else knows you have the ability to do so, then there is no reason why you shouldn't.

If I were a boss, I would expect my employees to always be doing something to help the company run efficiently.
Anyone who is sitting around doing nothing while others are working is doing nothing but waiting to be replaced.