DPSing as a healer

[KaitlanKela]

Literally the only thing written about Healers and their role is in the Hall of the Novice and it bloody tells you to DPS when no one needs healing.

Amen! /10char

[FunkyBunch]

That's YOUR requirement.
I don't justify bad play. We just have a very different definition of what bad play is.

False on BOTH counts. It's not MY requirement. It's literally written into the text of the game.
When you do specifically less than what the game tells you because you don't want to and then try and justify it, that's the objective definition of bad play and justifying bad play.

And also, you deliberately took my post out of context when you said you passed the Hall of the Novice without doing any DPS.

[KaitlanKela]

I don\\'t justify bad play. We just have a very different definition of what bad play is.

Okay, this right here is what I have a problem with. I honestly don't have a problems with healers only healing they choose to. Whatever, it's your sub and after the run I never have to see you again. Go ahead and be bad for all I care it's not my problem.

But why can't you just accept the fact that this is less that optimal play? Why can't you be like, "yes, I don't wanna dps, deal with it?" Instead you try to convince everyone that you're actually good at the game when you're objectively using less that half your skills on purpose?

Honestly, does your self esteem require that everyone approve of your decisions? Should it be not allowed for people to kick you for a deliberately chosen lazy playstyle because you need a safe space? If you wanna play this way, nobody is stopping you! Do it, but deal with the consequences if your group is less than impressed.

[FunkyBunch]

that barely affects a dungeon isn't a good idea.

It doesn't barely affect the dungeon, when I queue with a Healer friend EX takes 20-25 minutes. (I put up around 1k DPS as my undergeared NIN he puts up 500-700)
When I DF queue and the Healer stands around doing nothing it takes 30+ minutes.

We proved earlier that a Healer who ups his damage from 400 DPS to 800 DPS knocks about 3 minutes off a dungeon run with mediocre players.
So a zero DPS healer adds 6+ minutes to a dungeon run. (even more if the other classes are worse)
If everyone was as bad as the Healer who does zero DPS, it'd take you an hour to do a 25 minute duty. (or not even be able to in some cases)

You guys said we didn't ask. Then I asked, and now you're back to justifying bad play.

[Parawill]

I do not mean to derail, but I think it is relevant in the case where only the tank is going above and beyond the bare minimum. If I was the healer, I would contribute my own DPS because being in a level 60 dungeon beyond 35 mins is ridiculous, especially on dated content.

(Thread Link if interested, quote for convenience).

Note: Images removed. Go to reddit if you care enough to.

Just had a 75 minutes Saint Mocianne's Arboretum, with only 1 wipe. This is the result in the final boss (image link removed).

They were not new, undergeared and both had plenty of level 60 jobs. It was a level 60 roullette, not a Mentor roullette. I managed to keep myself cool and explain anyway, and be patient enough but I wished both the slowest of deaths in the inside.

I legitimately asked myself how can somebody fuck their gameplay up so bad to reach those levels of sucking, so I changed to my level 51 Bard and had a similar time parse just SPAMMING HEAVY SHOT and nothing else!

It is Unbelievable: (image link removed)

So they were not even trying. I don't know if they are trolling or intentionally wasting people time while watching a movie or they are plain brain dead.
This is disrespectful. Please don't be like these people. At least spam 1 button.
Edit: OH! and forgot the last part: (image link removed) Like Seriously...

[Ceasaria]

I do not mean to derail, but I think it is relevant in the case where only the tank is going above and beyond the bare minimum. If I was the healer, I would contribute my own DPS because being in a level 60 dungeon beyond 35 mins is ridiculous, especially on dated content.

(Thread Link if interested, quote for convenience).

Note: Images removed. Go to reddit if you care enough to.

They are even worse than players from Real Reborn level 50.

[Parawill]

They are even worse than players from Real Reborn level 50.

Lord have mercy.

[Keramory]

Do you really think it's okay to use less than half my given skills less than half the time and just stand there the rest of the time? In the case of low level dungeons, should I be able to /follow and afk because literally the fairy can do it all by herself? Is that fair at all to the other people playing?

This is my argument however. Although I personally DPS in dungeons, I acknowledge by doing so, I'm more then likely doing more then my other party mates. This is because I'm using a majority of my skills as appropriate, as often as I am able. What I don't see is DPS and tanks doing the same. Like...at all.
So can I justify blaming other healers for not doing it either? No I can't. If they want to be lazy fine, everyone else bloody is.

[KaitlanKela]

This is my argument however. Although I personally DPS in dungeons, I acknowledge by doing so, I'm more then likely doing more then my other party mates. This is because I'm using a majority of my skills as appropriate, as often as I am able. What I don't see is DPS and tanks doing the same. Like...at all.
So can I justify blaming other healers for not doing it either? No I can't. If they want to be lazy fine, everyone else bloody is.

And as I said in my other thread, there's a difference between saying "I'm lazy and bad, deal with it," and "not dpsing is acceptable play and I'm not actually bad." It's a misconception that deserves attention to clear up, or else it's never going to get any better. Tanks and DPS don't have this conception as much as the healers do. It's not that healer's are being held to a different standard, it's that our perspective is different and merits discussion/correction.

[FunkyBunch]

And as I said in my other thread, there's a difference between saying "I'm lazy and bad, deal with it," and "not dpsing is acceptable play and I'm not actually bad." It's a misconception that deserves attention to clear up, or else it's never going to get any better. Tanks and DPS don't have this conception as much as the healers do. It's not that healer's are being held to a different standard, it's that our perspective is different and merits discussion/correction.

Other classes argue what the best PPS is, or which cooldown should go where in the rotation. Healers argue about standing around all day and that's SUPER GOOD HEALZ.
Again, for reference, when someone of any class is underperforming, I attempt to help them out. But it's literally only healers that say "GET OFF MY BACK BRO".
I don't care that you don't heal, I care that Healers think that's good play and Healers actively encourage other players to play badly for some reason.