DPSing as a healer

[KaitlanKela]

Not one time have I heard anyone bark at a healer for not DPSing either running as one or with them. When I have heard healers get barked at when running as one or with one: When the tank dies and/or they die and freakin Cleric is up. It drives people batsh*t. On the contrary, healers who let people die because they are too busy DPSing need to hang up their healers robe. They fail as healer.

Again with the letting people die and it automatically being the healers fault to the point that they fail and should quit. Again, who is saying letting people die for dps is okay? Nobody.

And should we just be assuming the the other players in our team are too stupid to work mechanics and not stand in aoe? Should we helicopter over them and babysit them and carry them because it's our sacred duty to let them be bad because they mustn't die for any reason?

[KaitlanKela]

You know what's really annoying, being accused of things you didn't say. Like assuming I'm ride to people and call then out and harass them in dungeons. Just because i feel I have a right to (they're saying they're doing obviously nothing), doesn't mean I actually do. In fact, I've only ever said that I don't mention it and I just deal with people for 40 minutes. If that's all you're asking for than what exactly is your problem?

And you didn't address my point. Am I going raise the stupid dps that stood in the crap. Yes. I always do. Am I not going to dps because I have to hover over people and prevent them from making stupid mistakes? No. I can expect some level of competency in DF and if they're not actually that competent they can have a raise instead.

But it's easier to keep straw manning us all and accusing us of being mean people when all we've ever wanted is to make the run faster and smoother for everyone involved and we're thinking of people other than ourselves.

[Fevelle]

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I'm sorry if It came out like focused on you because I quoted you, it was more of a general comment, adressing some type of players who think less skilled ones should "just give up and find another game to play", and it's not your case.

Have a nice game everyone, I think we have enough threads of this matter by now and I'll try not to bump this again.

[Genaxx]

Today im going to just hold aggro as a tank and not dps.

[Seoulstar]

Today im going to just hold aggro as a tank and not dps.

And I will bet no one will come to the forums and whine about it. Because they most likely won't care.

[CookieMonsta]

Today im going to just hold aggro as a tank and not dps.

Flash ftw /tenchar

[FinaSel]

Here is how I see it.

Imagine you work at an store and your job is to answer customer's questions.
You have a steady stream of customers, but you are doing your job so well that you've handled every customer's request completely and the store is currently empty.
Now you have some free time.

You KNOW that some other people at your office could use some help with other things though, and you DO have the knowledge and skills to help them.
(Just like a healer has plenty of DPS skills.)
You KNOW that helping them with their job during your free time will make the office more efficient overall.
(Like a healer DPSing would making killing mobs faster and dungeon runs quicker.)
Now, you could use your free time to help other people do their jobs too. After all, it is within your ability to do so.

Or, you can just sit back and do nothing, because, after all, that is THEIR job and NOT YOUR job.

Let's imagine your boss came to you and said: "Hey, I see that you have completed all your work for the moment and you look like you have some free time on your hands. Would you mind helping Bob out with his work? We'd finish a lot faster if you did. But if a customer comes in with a question, you can prioritize them."
(Just like a healer can prioritize heals when necessary.)

Would you say "No. Why do I have to help Bob? That's not MY job. Why should I have to help other people with their jobs? I have my own job to do." (Except right now there is nothing for you TO do)
Because if you said that, not only could you forget about a promotion, but you're likely to be laid off.

I can't even imagine someone saying "Why should I have to do that? That's not my job" at an office.
If you have time to help others to make things go smoothly, especially when you and everyone else knows you have the ability to do so, then there is no reason why you shouldn't.

If I were a boss, I would expect my employees to always be doing something to help the company run efficiently.
Anyone who is sitting around doing nothing while others are working is doing nothing but waiting to be replaced.

[Reinha]

Or, you can just sit back and do nothing, because, after all, that is THEIR job and NOT YOUR job.

That's a good comparison. Unfortunately there are two types of people: those who need a demanding boss or the risk of unemployment to feel motivated to do more than is required of them, and those who are motivated internally and want to contribute more. There is not much past upbringing that can change the work mentality of a person. It's a shame because attitudes have an effect on productivity both at work and in game.

[Gemina]

Here is how I see it.

Imagine you work at an store and your job is to answer customer's questions.
You have a steady stream of customers, but you are doing your job so well that you've handled every customer's request completely and the store is currently empty.
Now you have some free time.

You KNOW that some other people at your office could use some help with other things though, and you DO have the knowledge and skills to help them.
(Just like a healer has plenty of DPS skills.)
You KNOW that helping them with their job during your free time will make the office more efficient overall.
(Like a healer DPSing would making killing mobs faster and dungeon runs quicker.)
Now, you could use your free time to help other people do their jobs too. After all, it is within your ability to do so.

Or, you can just sit back and do nothing, because, after all, that is THEIR job and NOT YOUR job.

Let's imagine your boss came to you and said: "Hey, I see that you have completed all your work for the moment and you look like you have some free time on your hands. Would you mind helping Bob out with his work? We'd finish a lot faster if you did. But if a customer comes in with a question, you can prioritize them."
(Just like a healer can prioritize heals when necessary.)

Would you say "No. Why do I have to help Bob? That's not MY job. Why should I have to help other people with their jobs? I have my own job to do." (Except right now there is nothing for you TO do)
Because if you said that, not only could you forget about a promotion, but you're likely to be laid off.

I can't even imagine someone saying "Why should I have to do that? That's not my job" at an office.
If you have time to help others to make things go smoothly, especially when you and everyone else knows you have the ability to do so, then there is no reason why you shouldn't.

If I were a boss, I would expect my employees to always be doing something to help the company run efficiently.
Anyone who is sitting around doing nothing while others are working is doing nothing but waiting to be replaced.

A great analogy. It does make a lot of sense, but a big difference here is that you work with these people every day, and the goal is to sustain and prosper the business. This is not the goal of DF. If I was a regional sales manager and I have to go to another store to fill in for another manager for that day, all I can expect from people I don't know and will never see again is that they are doing their jobs.

Expectations like this, I hold for my static and nothing more.

[Seoulstar]

But that is an actual job. You're paid to do that. FFXIV is a video game, you play it to have fun. Being bossed around by people isn't really my idea of having fun. I don't think someone is going to pay a sub just to be told what to do and be yelled at if they just so happen to not want to. It's not like they're intentionally wiping the party, or harassing a player. They just simply don't want to do one thing that does not have a major affect on the party. I'm starting to wonder where is that other person. Who wants healers to dps, but actually gave advice as to how to ease their way into it and realize just how fun it can be. That is a perfect example as to how to ask people to do something that will help the team. Maybe that healer won't dps during that dungeon. But eventually they may think on it and maybe actually try it. That's what happened to me and I've be dpsing as a healer ever since. Thankfully I talked a person like that as compared to a lot of people in this thread.