DPSing as a healer

[_slowpoke_]

DF is where you go with a random group to complete a dungeon.

Yes, and I expect a basic level of competence, even from random people - the fact that this game generally doesn't require it from people is an entirely different problem. Your point being?

A healer dpsing will not determine that.

That wasn't the point. Of course you don't strictly require healer DPS merely to make it through a dungeon, no one said that. Obviously everyone can play at the minimum required contribution, but I'm pretty sure you would also complain about 60+ minutes dungeons in that case. Healer DPS isn't about meeting absolute minimum requirements (that's keeping the party alive), it's about not being a selfish, disrespectful player who expects to be carried.

You can try to make whatever excuse you want.

The only people making excuses are the 0-DPS healers.

But there is a fine line between pointing something out and just down right insulting people like a child.

I've not insulted anyone, and I don't do it in-game either. Correctly pointing out that someone isn't pulling their weight and/or is being lazy is not an insult. If you take it as one, the fault lies with you, not me - learn to take criticism.

People play this game to have fun, not be controlled.

I also play this game to have fun, but I am capable of realizing I am playing with other people, so I try not be selfish - and dragging down 3-23 other people because you are lazy is being severely selfish. If you think that this is "being controlled", then kindly go play a single-player game, where you can do whatever you want.

If people want a healer to dps so badly, then can kindly roll one and do it themselves.

That's not an argument, that's just trying to shift responsibilities to other people, i.e. being selfish.

But don't they dare try to bully someone into doing what they want them to do.

Again, I'm not bullying anyone. If people can't deal with criticism in a team-based game, then maybe they shouldn't play one.

Also what the hell does competitive multiplayer have to do with healers in a MMO?

I wrote cooperative. Do you even read what I write?

[Fevelle]

The only people making excuses are the 0-DPS healers.

Most people against the current meta of healer DPS, like me, dps a lot. And by a lot I mean ending a big pull with 1k MP or less after burning Assize/Shroud, because I was spamming Holy. This does not mean, however, that I enjoy dpsing or find it ok for healers to have to stay 80% of an encounter doing something that is not their main role.

...dragging down 3-23 other people because you are lazy...

If your alliance or party is being dragged down by lack of healer DPS in DF content, I have bad news for you.

I would REALLY like all the potencies of healing spells to be lowered by 100 or 150. To a point where both healers need to be actively HEALING in DF full party to be able to keep up.

[FunkyBunch]

If your alliance or party is being dragged down by lack of healer DPS in DF content, I have bad news for you.

I would REALLY like all the potencies of healing spells to be lowered by 100 or 150. To a point where both healers need to be actively HEALING in DF full party to be able to keep up.

Earlier in this thread for DF content, I found it makes a MINIMUM of 0.72 of a person difference in having a Healer DPS than not having one DPS.
Which translates into at least 3 min difference with a goodish group. With a NOT good group the time would go up a lot. Which means, yes you would be dragging your group down, regardless of how good the other members are.

Making healers worse by reducing their healing potency is not the answer. We are already getting stuck with healers who can't keep with healing even on easy content (see my void ark post earlier or in the other thread, I can't remember), we'd never be able to pass casual raid content if heals were less potent because, you keep missing this point, is that there are too many bad healers.

[Fevelle]

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And what would be the answer then? I ask because, if we have bad healers now (not capable of clearing DF content), 3 years after release, healer-dps meta is clearly NOT helping them improve in their main role: keeping people alive.

[Judge_Xero]

And what would be the answer then? I ask because, if we have bad healers now (not capable of clearing DF content), 3 years after release, healer-dps meta is clearly NOT helping them improve in their main role: keeping people alive.

The Answer: More Healer Pet Classes <3 <3

[FunkyBunch]

And what would be the answer then? I ask because, if we have bad healers now (not capable of clearing DF content), 3 years after release, healer-dps meta is clearly NOT helping them improve in their main role: keeping people alive.

Allow everyone to bring their Chocobos?
Make it more mechanic oriented instead of needing a healer (see PotD, can be done without a healer).

The "healer DPS meta" though isn't the problem, it's the "Healer is an easy class and doesn't need to do anything but heal" mentality that people have that is the problem.
Because the latter is what lazy people think, and then they get to end game thinking that's fine and then they can't keep up with content as it gets harder.
I've never met a Healer that uses Cleric Stance regularly that ALSO causes wipes.

[KaitlanKela]

This is STILL going on?

Look, in the current expert dungeons I'm in CS nearly the whole time. WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. Why? Because the color of the icon next to your name means nothing in this game. What does mean something? The list of OBJECTIVES for the instance. If my goal is to Defeat Ser Charibert, what exactly does standing there not casting because everyone's topped off accomplish toward that goal? Nothing. It accomplishes nothing. It contributes nothing. And anyone not contributing to their fullest on purpose when they COULD is being carried.

I'd like to make the point that your ROLE only means something for DF. It helps the algorithm select a group of four-to-eight people with varied enough skillsets to make clearing the instance with random people easily possible. If the holy trinity was unbreakably bindingly important, the phrase "the above composition is not imposed on pre-formed groups" wouldn't be a thing. Except, that it is. And statics break 1/1/2 and 2/2/4 all the freaking time.

Now, I main a healer but when I tank and I see healers standing around, I roll my eyes and move on. I don't waste my breath on these people because there's no casual content in the game I could DF into where a healer not DPSing is going to make me fail. I will willing carry them, because it's just not worth being a butt to someone I don't know and will never see again. HOWEVER, I wish the people who REFUSE to DPS on principle could at least OWN their decision. Like, instead of arguing why literally standing there doing nothing to help is okay, you could just be like, "yeah, I don't like to DPS. You can't make me. Deal with it." and then if they get kicked they just shake it off and queue for a different group and hopefully it goes better for them. Because in no other role would it be okay to stand there more than half the time on principle and NOT get called out for it and NOT potentially get kicked. It's the risk you take when you choose this. Just own it and deal with it.

FTR: I am not against them making instances where we're required to heal all the time. I would LOVE that. But they haven't (for casual content) so I'm not just going to waste my groups time. That's the decent thing to do. Honestly, it's really common sense here. I don't know why we're still talking about it twenty-some pages later (and this is hardly the first thread, so come on now)

[Fevelle]

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So you think it's wrong to actually want to HEAL while playing a healer? The real problem in this game is the lack of need for healing. And to be completely honest, I doubt people who are okay with it are long-term FF/RPG gamers.

I am not against them making instances where we're required to heal all the time. I would LOVE that. But they haven't (for casual content)

Yeah, but they absolutely should do.

The Answer: More Healer Pet Classes <3 <3

If you're ok with a pet doing your job while you pretend to be a DPS, I am not, sir.

[mp-please]

HA you wanna know why ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItQeayz6S_s
Here you go.

It's funny because white mages weren't even the reason for CS to be removed, scholars were. Fairy + shielding + dot dps it meant you could cleric up place dots and then laugh at the person dying while your shielding lasted and fairy healed you through stuns and silences.

[CBellz]

So you think it's wrong to actually want to HEAL while playing a healer? The real problem in this game is the lack of need for healing. And to be completely honest, I doubt people who are okay with it are long-term FF/RPG gamers.



Yeah, but they absolutely should do.



If you're ok with a pet doing your job while you pretend to be a DPS, I am not, sir.

It's not wrong to actually want to heal while playing on a healer, but don't you automatically gravitate towards playing efficiently by topping up the party as quick as possible without overhealing and wasting MP? The only difference between XIV and other games is that it rewards you for playing efficiently and having gas in the tank by letting you use MP to DPS. XIV lets efficient healers cast MORE and contribute MORE to the party instead of sitting there half afk and patting their backs because they've let HOTs top up the whole party.