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    Yhisa's Avatar
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    Cleric stance needs change just for melding sake as healer

    Currently as it stands healers are now using there materia slot to stack accurracy in order to reach caps to never miss

    For WHM this effect all spells.... But for AST/SCH it only effect a few spells as few of there dots can never miss

    So i propose a change to cleric stance... Remove the 10% bonus to potency.. And swap it to allow healers to never miss an attack on spells

    This needs to be done asap because soon healers may be required to stack accuracy in raids just to push dps a little more or just to help out

    Also it will allow us to have more diversity when melding
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    How is it more diversity if yore literally taking out a meld option? Never mind that healers aren't required to dps in raids to meet check, it's a bonus at best. Otherwise why are they getting such special treatment that they shouldn't need accuracy to do the job of the other 2-4 party membets?
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    Cause healers dps if they able too... Give sephirot ex and example for main healer there only a few times u can dps freely without worrying about damage.... As off healer u always bouncing back nd forth between cleric stance and off healing

    Healer dps is not very high vs DPS roles and for us to use our melds to stack for dps is a design flaw within the game... Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment... We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing

    This is a major issue ....healers should be using melds for more value materia like crit, det, spell speed or piety... Not stack accuracy just to add to dps

    Even im starting to stack accuracy became i hate missing malefic!
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    I'm gonna post this thread here that had a similar suggestion so you can review the responses.

    My opinion on the matter is that while there is concern for accuracy issues in the future patches, giving the healer a free pass on the accuracy check is a bad idea. Why should a role who's primary function to maintain party health a pass on accuracy?

    I'd personally rather see Cleric Stance give an Accuracy bonus that scale with our ilvl so the gap between our base Accuracy and the current Accuracy cap for the content is so grand.

    Also...

    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment...
    If you think Tank's don't need to have some semblance of accuracy to their job you are terribly mistaken.
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    Jeph Irving
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Tanks do not need accurracy at all... So healers should recieve same treatment... We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing
    I have 2 problems with your argument but first I'll state that the current system is fine. Healers do not need accuracy to fulfill their primary role and that is to heal. Dps'ing is encouraged as an extra step regardless. The system right now allows you to either tune towards better healing with melds or towards optimizing both your supportive and offensive toolkit by melding accuracy. The choice is left to the player if they want to take either path.

    The problems I have with your argument stems about tanks. Tank stance bonus to accuracy helps but it doesn't cover the spectrum. Without accuracy gear, tanks would not be able to hit as reliably and thus will not be able to generate enmity and thus do their role properly. Tanks are not innately 100% accurate in tank stance without help with said gear. This goes back to my previous point that Healing jobs do not require accuracy for their heals to land properly.

    Is it unfortunate that the meta and situation prioritizes accuracy for those who want to be able to optimize for spot dps? Yes but you said it best:

    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    We are not a dps so why on earth must we stack a dps stat for healing where it could be used on stats to increase healing
    You are not a DPS and thus you do not need accuracy to perform your basic role.
    You as a player took the optional route to go further, thus requiring you to meld outside of your jobs premier stats.
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    Last edited by Irving; 03-20-2016 at 09:04 AM. Reason: char limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Tanks do not need accurracy at all...
    I wanna say Tanks need to stack around 600 accuracy just to tank in Expert roulette. There's been a few times I've had to dancing edge from the front for a variety of reasons, most notably Calcabrina's brace, and as a ninja with around 570 accuracy I miss about 2 of every five hits.
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    The thing is that healers ARE required to DPS and ARE blamed if the DPS checks are not made. You are considered a noob or trash if you slot anything else in those slots other than accuracy. I should be able to slot materia that helps my job like crit or determination. A change needs to be made somewhere just like it was made for tanks. If the change comes in the form of a change to cleric stance, then so be it.
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    Last edited by Ahki; 03-20-2016 at 10:17 AM.

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    You can't slot mind on any mind equipment. Heavily slot accuracy if you are an off healer. If you're a main healer lightly slot it/or not at all. I recognize my heals are smaller than a healer that stacked det or ss, but my dps is consistently high. I also understand that my main function it's to keep the party alive and their condition manageable, but a single healer can do most healing and that any extra damage I can fluff out gives me a greater contribution to the party.

    If you want crit stack it with your gear choices. We have 3 separate choices to choose from. With food I'm over 1k crit and 625 acc. I melded crit on my seph wep.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 03-20-2016 at 10:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahki View Post
    The thing is that healers ARE required to DPS and ARE blamed if the DPS checks are not made. You are considered a noob or trash if you slot anything else in those slots other than accuracy. I should be able to slot materia that helps my job like crit or determination. A change needs to be made somewhere just like it was made for tanks. If the change comes in the form of a change to cleric stance, then so be it.
    That's because the meta gives free pass to bad DPS, which is why I sincerely hope cleric gets nerfed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    That's because the meta gives free pass to bad DPS, which is why I sincerely hope cleric gets nerfed.
    Healers would stack int Vs on open slots and over meld accuracy. Our dps would be halved and healing hurt as well, but we will still dps on down time.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 03-20-2016 at 11:08 AM.

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