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    Player Kaurie's Avatar
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Going to break up your post to address each part clearly, this is in no way used to misrepresent your post, so I am sorry if I do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Nothig toxic in what I said -
    This is toxic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    "OMFG! I have toi spend some time longer in a dungeon coz peoples suck! I could spend that time doing equally trivial and unimportant stuff!" Is not a reason to segregate the commuinity. You want really fast runs? Well enjoy them with the hour long queue time you'll get.
    It's incredibly condescending, using both tone, misspelling and misconstruing my words.


    1) You are clearly salty over some extra few minutes in a dungeon to the point of segregation.
    2) You seem to think spending en extra few minutes in a dungeon is the worst thing ever
    I am not sure what you mean by "to the point of segregation". However, what i am salty about is the protectionism that is put in place on people underperforming. It is more acceptable to go into a dungeon and auto attack and afk than it is to go in and try your hardest and ask the other person to try as well.

    Point number 2 is hyperbolic. However, spending an extra 10-15 minutes in a 15 minute dungeon is not fun. Personally, I play the game for enjoyment. It feels much more like a chore that I am doing for other people when I am held back. Again, this is why I don't do roulettes any more (only when I desperately need tomes, which I don't).

    Don't like being called out on it? Then don't do it, simple... Your "perception" is not evidence for the "community getting worse". There is something called confirmation bias... I remember when the vast majorty of peole had no idea what the hell they were doing (because the game was new) and now people are coming to join the party later than the rest of us you say they are a problem.
    I am sorry, called out on what? I also don't really get what you are talking about with perception being evidence, or what you are getting at with confirmation bias. Perhaps you can more clearly rephrase this paragraph, because I am at a complete loss of your point.

    It's a terrible way to act towards people looking to get into the game. You find these newbies so beneath you that you decided that you arn't going to waste your time playing with them anymore. Roulettes are for helping newbies progress and filling up their queues not to suit you.
    I am all for helping new players, and I am not sure where you get the impression that I am not? You're making a lot of negative assumptions about me, and it's fairly offensive tbh.

    At least you see segregation as a terrible idea though so cudos there. A parser sounds like it would be all well and good but we all know how much good dps meters do for mmo communites. Ridicule, hate, flaming, elitism etc all becomes the norm. Not something I'm willing to agree to for a small improvement on some dungeon runs.
    "We" don't know, though. The worst experience I have ever seen with a DPS meter was in WoW and this was the conversation.

    Person A"DPS is too low guys, we're not going to be able to clear it."
    Person B"Oh, what should my DPS be, how can I improve it?"
    Person A"Wait, is this heroic?"
    Us "No, this is normal"
    Persona A "Crap, I registered for heroic. Oh well."
    ..proceeds to clear dungeon

    That is the WORST I have ever seen a conversation with a DPS parser active. I've seen far worse conversations here from people who clearly are not parsing. The worst toxicity that I witness is in LFR in WoW and 24-person content in FFXIV. In both, people are generally jerks and it has nothing to do with the parser.

    Now, even if a DPS parser brought elitism, I am not convinced that is a worse thing than the anti-elitism community we have here. Both are equally offensive to each other, but at least one results in better play.
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    Last edited by Kaurie; 08-13-2016 at 02:24 AM.