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[Underdog2204]

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Nothig toxic in what I said -

1) You are clearly salty over some extra few minutes in a dungeon to the point of segregation.
2) You seem to think spending en extra few minutes in a dungeon is the worst thing ever

Don't like being called out on it? Then don't do it, simple... Your "perception" is not evidence for the "community getting worse". There is something called confirmation bias... I remember when the vast majorty of peole had no idea what the hell they were doing (because the game was new) and now people are coming to join the party later than the rest of us you say they are a problem.

It's a terrible way to act towards people looking to get into the game. You find these newbies so beneath you that you decided that you arn't going to waste your time playing with them anymore. Roulettes are for helping newbies progress and filling up their queues not to suit you.

At least you see segregation as a terrible idea though so cudos there. A parser sounds like it would be all well and good but we all know how much good dps meters do for mmo communites. Ridicule, hate, flaming, elitism etc all becomes the norm. Not something I'm willing to agree to for a small improvement on some dungeon runs.

[Kaurie]

Going to break up your post to address each part clearly, this is in no way used to misrepresent your post, so I am sorry if I do.

Nothig toxic in what I said -

This is toxic.

"OMFG! I have toi spend some time longer in a dungeon coz peoples suck! I could spend that time doing equally trivial and unimportant stuff!" Is not a reason to segregate the commuinity. You want really fast runs? Well enjoy them with the hour long queue time you'll get.

It's incredibly condescending, using both tone, misspelling and misconstruing my words.

1) You are clearly salty over some extra few minutes in a dungeon to the point of segregation.
2) You seem to think spending en extra few minutes in a dungeon is the worst thing ever

I am not sure what you mean by "to the point of segregation". However, what i am salty about is the protectionism that is put in place on people underperforming. It is more acceptable to go into a dungeon and auto attack and afk than it is to go in and try your hardest and ask the other person to try as well.

Point number 2 is hyperbolic. However, spending an extra 10-15 minutes in a 15 minute dungeon is not fun. Personally, I play the game for enjoyment. It feels much more like a chore that I am doing for other people when I am held back. Again, this is why I don't do roulettes any more (only when I desperately need tomes, which I don't).

Don't like being called out on it? Then don't do it, simple... Your "perception" is not evidence for the "community getting worse". There is something called confirmation bias... I remember when the vast majorty of peole had no idea what the hell they were doing (because the game was new) and now people are coming to join the party later than the rest of us you say they are a problem.

I am sorry, called out on what? I also don't really get what you are talking about with perception being evidence, or what you are getting at with confirmation bias. Perhaps you can more clearly rephrase this paragraph, because I am at a complete loss of your point.

It's a terrible way to act towards people looking to get into the game. You find these newbies so beneath you that you decided that you arn't going to waste your time playing with them anymore. Roulettes are for helping newbies progress and filling up their queues not to suit you.

I am all for helping new players, and I am not sure where you get the impression that I am not? You're making a lot of negative assumptions about me, and it's fairly offensive tbh.

At least you see segregation as a terrible idea though so cudos there. A parser sounds like it would be all well and good but we all know how much good dps meters do for mmo communites. Ridicule, hate, flaming, elitism etc all becomes the norm. Not something I'm willing to agree to for a small improvement on some dungeon runs.

"We" don't know, though. The worst experience I have ever seen with a DPS meter was in WoW and this was the conversation.

Person A"DPS is too low guys, we're not going to be able to clear it."
Person B"Oh, what should my DPS be, how can I improve it?"
Person A"Wait, is this heroic?"
Us "No, this is normal"
Persona A "Crap, I registered for heroic. Oh well."
..proceeds to clear dungeon

That is the WORST I have ever seen a conversation with a DPS parser active. I've seen far worse conversations here from people who clearly are not parsing. The worst toxicity that I witness is in LFR in WoW and 24-person content in FFXIV. In both, people are generally jerks and it has nothing to do with the parser.

Now, even if a DPS parser brought elitism, I am not convinced that is a worse thing than the anti-elitism community we have here. Both are equally offensive to each other, but at least one results in better play.

[Underdog2204]

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Was poking fun at your argument. Was it dry? Sure. Is it wrong? Not really. There is no reason dungeon runs taking a few minutes longer is a huge issue, you are sat down playing a video game you are not going to spend those minutes curing cancer. Hell I see countless peopple afking lvl 60 zones, minutes seem only to be precious in dungeons for some odd reason.

You said yourself you stopped doing roulettes (there to help newbies) due to dungeons taking longer and the community getting worse... You tell me what I'm supposed to take from that. So you slam the door to newbies but then shout back you are helping them by doing so?

That is certainly not the worse I've seen. Or you know you could just think normally and say "well it's DF there are people on both ends of the spectrum and many inbetween I could get any" and just live with it. Don't care much for the elitist crowd, neither do I care for those too lazy to learn but one of them is not the lesser evil, they are both equally terrible.

[KarstenS]

Ridicule, hate, flaming, elitism etc all becomes the norm.

It is already the norm. Not because of parsers. An the players doing this are regulary the biggest failbobs of the entire party.

[Underdog2204]

It is already the norm. Not because of parsers. An the players doing this are regulary the biggest failbobs of the entire party.

Orly? Then perhaps you would like to explain how a small minority of terribads has made this happen...