DPSing as a healer

[Rennies]

Healers that refuse to DPS strictly come off as lazy to me. I don't say anything to people in Duty Finder (hell, I've stopped queuing for DF without a healer friend if I'm not using a healer myself) because I'm not really the type to argue about something so obvious. I'd rather have a healer who occasionally fails to balance DPS and healing well enough to keep everyone alive than someone who's making the dungeon 5-7 minutes longer by choice. I have other things I want to get done in the game too.

I'm saying this as someone who wants a more interesting healer trinity where not all three healers have such excellent tools for damage dealing. Wish that Astrologian had an even larger focus on buffs than it already does and maybe some unique crowd control with Gravity or something.

[AI_wass]

I think it's fine to dislike the focus on healer DPS in this game, so long as you don't let it impact you from playing properly. Implying that there's no hope for the encounter designs (and hence, the meta) to change is a bit lacking in perspective, IMO.

Going into content, expecting that it will cater to your whims, is not the way to go about things. Complain about it outside of the content all you like, but you abide by its demands when you're in it.

[loreleidiangelo]

Going into content, expecting that it will cater to your whims, is not the way to go about things. Complain about it outside of the content all you like, but you abide by its demands when you're in it.

Yeah, I think we both agree on this, it just seemed in your initial post that you were against people even speaking out against it, even if they're currently "playing by the rules".

[Reinha]

I enjoy healing, I overheal most of time not because I'm bad, but because it strangely brings enjoyment(who'd have thought?). Something I don't get from button mashing on a DPS.

Honestly, if you're actively and knowingly building enmity without doing anything beneficial, you're bad. You're making things harder (not slower but harder) for other people and that's somehow funny to you. Just because you know you shouldn't do it doesn't mean you're above the category of players who stand in AoE because they enjoy seeing all the red numbers. I will always defend people's right to play how they want in the open-to-all mode that DF is, but please for the love of Halone, at least have the decency to stand still or jump around when you're bored instead of making the tank, who is already delayed by your laid back playstyle, have to work harder. It's especially bad in low level dungeons. I get that you like to heal but try to put yourself in others' shoes.

Note that I'm not disagreeing with the, "use your whole toolkit you bums!" part, I'm disagreeing with the idea that we have to like it or we should just GTFO. Current content won't change to become more healing-oriented, true, but it's not impossible to hope that future content might. I guess it depends on how the majority feel about the current meta.

I have sometimes wondered if the game should have a healer that does damage only by converting a % of overhealing to damage. There is demand for a new style in healing and players that would rather do nothing than use their damage spells, so maybe this could fit the niche. They could maybe choose an enemy that takes all the damage they create, and a cooldown that makes 100% of overheals convert to damage for a short time. They could also temporarily convert damage taken to damage done. If their heals were bigger the further they were from the target, all the running around would give something to do between heals. The AoE could be a chain heal that hits 4 unique targets based on distance, which would throttle the amount of overhealing they could put out. Just brainstorming. :P

[wooperthemad]

I have sometimes wondered if the game should have a healer that does damage only by converting a % of overhealing to damage. There is demand for a new style in healing and players that would rather do nothing than use their damage spells, so maybe this could fit the niche. They could maybe choose an enemy that takes all the damage they create, and a cooldown that makes 100% of overheals convert to damage for a short time. They could also temporarily convert damage taken to damage done. If their heals were bigger the further they were from the target, all the running around would give something to do between heals. The AoE could be a chain heal that hits 4 unique targets based on distance, which would throttle the amount of overhealing they could put out. Just brainstorming. :P

I would use this class over all others. It has always been my MMO dream to murder things with my heals instead of heal with my murder.

[mp-please]

since every content in this game is clearable without healer DPS - words of the devs.

Ok now this is getting out of hand, that line never applied to DF content AT ALL. When yoshida said that it was for coil and endgame raiding to determine the duration of the enrage timer.

Yes. Since all DPS jobs will be increasing up through level 60, it makes sense to have the white mage's DPS extend by a proportional amount as well. For development, such as with Bahamut's Coils, the development team assumes what the item level should be for general equipment on players when they clear a raid. They sum up the basic DPS for four DPS and tanks at that assumed item level and cut that by about 10-15% for the minimum clear DPS. Healer DPS is not taken into account when this is set.

People have been misusing this excuse for so long that people managed to completely distort it's purpose.

[Fevelle]

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So you're saying DF content needs healer DPS to be cleared?

[mp-please]

So you're saying DF content needs healer DPS to be cleared?

I'm saying that excuse doesn't apply to daily content, only to raids and when the minimum entry gear is met.
Pretty much what it means is, lets take nidex as example, as long party knows how to play, nobody dies, and party is on their absolute minimum ilvl(i220), party should be able to clear dps check and enrage check without both healers needing to touch their offensive spells at all.
Having at least one healer dpsing in these situations only makes the run faster and less tight in terms of time. Exactly the same how people run content faster as the party ilvl rises.

On to your question, both hall of novice and healer quests mention if healing isn't needed, dps. It doesn't matter if it needs or not as there's no dps checks at all in any of the daily content so the "Healer DPS is not taken into account" excuse doesn't apply.

[Fevelle]

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You can think whatever you want about how someone should play or not. What I'm discussing is the minimum requirement of duties, and not if something can be made faster or easier (because of course it can) and how some people kick players and label them as garbage from doing the minimum required. Are they doing enough to at least clear content within the timer limit? If yes, move on and leave them be. I hate that when these kicks come up my vote is always null because only 2 people can kick someone even if the fourth member disagrees with their reasons.

[mp-please]

What I'm discussing is the minimum requirement of duties

Minimum required for duties is at least 1 person auto attacking and someone healing if the person auto attacking can't self heal. As long they finish before the 90min timer is down there is absolutely no reason to not have tank and both dps have a picnic while a scholar book smacks his way through the mobs while the fairy heals him.