DPSing as a healer

[FunkyBunch]

And as I said in my other thread, there's a difference between saying "I'm lazy and bad, deal with it," and "not dpsing is acceptable play and I'm not actually bad." It's a misconception that deserves attention to clear up, or else it's never going to get any better. Tanks and DPS don't have this conception as much as the healers do. It's not that healer's are being held to a different standard, it's that our perspective is different and merits discussion/correction.

Other classes argue what the best PPS is, or which cooldown should go where in the rotation. Healers argue about standing around all day and that's SUPER GOOD HEALZ.
Again, for reference, when someone of any class is underperforming, I attempt to help them out. But it's literally only healers that say "GET OFF MY BACK BRO".
I don't care that you don't heal, I care that Healers think that's good play and Healers actively encourage other players to play badly for some reason.

[KaitlanKela]

Literally the only thing written about Healers and their role is in the Hall of the Novice and it bloody tells you to DPS when no one needs healing.

Amen! /10char

[KaitlanKela]

I don\\'t justify bad play. We just have a very different definition of what bad play is.

Okay, this right here is what I have a problem with. I honestly don't have a problems with healers only healing they choose to. Whatever, it's your sub and after the run I never have to see you again. Go ahead and be bad for all I care it's not my problem.

But why can't you just accept the fact that this is less that optimal play? Why can't you be like, "yes, I don't wanna dps, deal with it?" Instead you try to convince everyone that you're actually good at the game when you're objectively using less that half your skills on purpose?

Honestly, does your self esteem require that everyone approve of your decisions? Should it be not allowed for people to kick you for a deliberately chosen lazy playstyle because you need a safe space? If you wanna play this way, nobody is stopping you! Do it, but deal with the consequences if your group is less than impressed.

[Gemina]

But why can't you just accept the fact that this is less that optimal play? Why can't you be like, "yes, I don't wanna dps, deal with it?" Instead you try to convince everyone that you're actually good at the game when you're objectively using less that half your skills on purpose?

Honestly, does your self esteem require that everyone approve of your decisions? Should it be not allowed for people to kick you for a deliberately chosen lazy playstyle because you need a safe space? If you wanna play this way, nobody is stopping you! Do it, but deal with the consequences if your group is less than impressed.

*Sigh* Have I not been shouting from the mountain tops that the bare minimum is the requirement to get through an instance? Yet somehow, what you hear is that I'm saying this is optimal play. What myself and others have been telling you is that optimal play is not required to make clears, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to tell other players what to do. If this play is not acceptable for you, you can vote kick, or you can remove yourself. No one is forcing you play with players who don't/won't/can't perform to your standards. It's great when players strive to optimize their jobs and roles, and it's what separates the great players from all others whether they are bad, mediocre, or good. Not once have I said the bare minimum is optimal play. So just stop with shoving words in my mouth. Please.

Haven't been kicked once, and it's pretty clear when you group with me that I am mindful of everyone, and I don't need to slap on Cleric to do it. Anyone who can see past 'DPS or GTFO' should see that my arguments has EVERYTHING to do with being considerate towards others.

[KaitlanKela]

Yes I can vote kick most of the time I won't buy sometimes I will, I reserve that right.

Some other people in this thread are saying that I cannot or should not be able to kick people for this. Sure it'll get you a clear eventually. It's the bare minimum but you'll clear so you can't kick.

No. A difference in playstyle is a valid reason to kick. The end.

[CookieMonsta]

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Keeping people alive only is not bare minimum lol. Hell, I would prefer if the healer was spamming Stone WITHOUT cleric stance in between healing. Do you know why? because it tells me the player is actively engaged in the dungeon just as much as I am in either tank or DPS (i.e. keeping the GCDs rolling, THAT is the bare minimum expected). What people have been trying to tell you why ONLY healing is terrible is because you will have these massive stretches of time that you literally stand around and do nothing, either that or they are massively overhealing to no effect.

[Fevelle]

Keeping people alive only is not bare minimum lol. Hell, I would prefer if the healer was spamming Stone WITHOUT cleric stance in between healing. Do you know why? because it tells me the player is actively engaged in the dungeon just as much as I am in either tank or DPS (i.e. keeping the GCDs rolling, THAT is the bare minimum expected). What people have been trying to tell you why ONLY healing is terrible is because you will have these massive stretches of time that you literally stand around and do nothing, either that or they are massively overhealing to no effect.

What you "prefer" or not doesn't matter in the DF unless the other 3 people have the same mindset. The same way people can kick non-dpsing healers for not dpsing, you can be kicked if you get a party that doesn't agree with heal DPS (see Reddit for lots of screenshots of this happening). I'll just add my last bit to this before unsubscribing the thread:

Chill out. You're not gonna die if a DF healer doesn't DPS as well as not gonna die if a DF tank loses hate one or two times. You have the right to be picky, but try not to be rude or badmouth players. You think they suck (and maybe you're right), but there's no way to know who or what is going on the other side of the screen. This applies to every aspect. Do your best, expect the least. Maybe the other players are also doing their best, even if you think it's underwhelming. Remember this game has a huge playerbase of retro gamers and very conservative players, and also keep in mind that level in this game doesn't mean knowledge about game mechanics (you can be level 60 by doing FATES), so even if you find something "awful" in level 60 content, give them the benefit of the doubt and show some empathy before pointing directions or fingers.

Should we helicopter over them and babysit them and carry them because it's our sacred duty to let them be bad because they mustn't die for any reason?

Yes and yes. And If they do die you should raise them as much as needed. That's what you signed for by healing. To see this in your party window and while asking yourself "how the hell are these people dying like this", to keep doing your thing without dropping the instance, kicking or harassing anyone because you got "bad players".

[Parawill]

I do not mean to derail, but I think it is relevant in the case where only the tank is going above and beyond the bare minimum. If I was the healer, I would contribute my own DPS because being in a level 60 dungeon beyond 35 mins is ridiculous, especially on dated content.

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Just had a 75 minutes Saint Mocianne's Arboretum, with only 1 wipe. This is the result in the final boss (image link removed).

They were not new, undergeared and both had plenty of level 60 jobs. It was a level 60 roullette, not a Mentor roullette. I managed to keep myself cool and explain anyway, and be patient enough but I wished both the slowest of deaths in the inside.

I legitimately asked myself how can somebody fuck their gameplay up so bad to reach those levels of sucking, so I changed to my level 51 Bard and had a similar time parse just SPAMMING HEAVY SHOT and nothing else!

It is Unbelievable: (image link removed)

So they were not even trying. I don't know if they are trolling or intentionally wasting people time while watching a movie or they are plain brain dead.
This is disrespectful. Please don't be like these people. At least spam 1 button.
Edit: OH! and forgot the last part: (image link removed) Like Seriously...

[Ceasaria]

I do not mean to derail, but I think it is relevant in the case where only the tank is going above and beyond the bare minimum. If I was the healer, I would contribute my own DPS because being in a level 60 dungeon beyond 35 mins is ridiculous, especially on dated content.

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They are even worse than players from Real Reborn level 50.

[Parawill]

They are even worse than players from Real Reborn level 50.

Lord have mercy.