DPSing as a healer

[Seoulstar]

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DF is where you go with a random group to complete a dungeon. A healer dpsing will not determine that. You can try to make whatever excuse you want. But there is a fine line between pointing something out and just down right insulting people like a child. People play this game to have fun, not be controlled. If people want a healer to dps so badly, then can kindly roll one and do it themselves. But don't they dare try to bully someone into doing what they want them to do. Also what the hell does competitive multiplayer have to do with healers in a MMO? This is not Battlefield where the damn medic isn't dropping health boxes and reviving people. This is FFXIV, a MMO.

[Venjamin]

Out of curiosity, how does the 0 DPS healer crowd suggest hitting really aggressive DPS checks? I know the game isn't tuned to healers doing DPS, but there has been more than one occasion ( even just doing 4-mans ) where the DPS is just undergeared or not good enough ( as in, missing some technical skill to maximize damage. ) to hit these checks. Do you just keep ramming your face into an insurmountable wall and hope the DPS check gets easier? Do you give up? While yes, technically the failure is on the DPS, if you, as a healer, can contribute the extra 20-30% damage needed to MEET these checks, but choose not to ( when you are safely able, not at the expense of healing, obvs ) is it not also on you?

Don't get me wrong. There are definitely limits to this. I just did Final Steps of Faith for the first time as a healer, and that shit was INTENSE. I tried to do CS all of once, and immediately turned it back off because it would force me to neglect healing.

I dunno. I wish all the things I did on my healer were as intense as that fight. But they aren't, and so I DPS to fill the gaps when I'd otherwise be doing my spiffy new Go Go Posing Ranger poses.

[Whiston]

If healers weren't meant to provide DPS at all, they wouldn't have offensive spells, access to Cleric Stance, and everything would hit so hard that a tank would need heavy healing 100% of the time. This also means that a DPS or healer getting hit by a single mob would be one or two shotted by auto-attacks.

To add to this, it still wouldn't change anything because this game has a focus on vertical gear progression.
If you have to heal your ass off to keep a tank up in i220 gear then you'll still be standing around picking your butt in full i240, and two patches later it's like things don't even hit you anymore.

[Rennies]

Why would you people care? Damage dealing spells for healers are only there for lore and questing.

It's up to the person if he wants to DPS or not, not you, if you want to DPS as a healer, go do it.


If you'd tell me how to play my class, even in the nicest ways, i'd tell you to stop harassing me or i'd report you. Stop hindering my enjoyment of the game, we ain't raiding, so sit down and drink your kool aid.

It's impossible for your report to do anything to someone who is trying to teach you to play the game effectively, and if you feel offended by simple advice maybe you should stick to premades who will be happy to have a pacifist healer. You're hindering my enjoyment of the game by not putting in any effort.

[Yona87]

Why would you people care? Damage dealing spells for healers are only there for lore and questing.

It's up to the person if he wants to DPS or not, not you, if you want to DPS as a healer, go do it.


If you'd tell me how to play my class, even in the nicest ways, i'd tell you to stop harassing me or i'd report you. Stop hindering my enjoyment of the game, we ain't raiding, so sit down and drink your kool aid.

Nice.
I like your mentality.
I am sure people will love you for it.

[Tint]

Out of curiosity, how does the 0 DPS healer crowd suggest hitting really aggressive DPS checks? I know the game isn't tuned to healers doing DPS, but there has been more than one occasion ( even just doing 4-mans ) where the DPS is just undergeared or not good enough ( as in, missing some technical skill to maximize damage. ) to hit these checks. Do you just keep ramming your face into an insurmountable wall and hope the DPS check gets easier? Do you give up? While yes, technically the failure is on the DPS, if you, as a healer, can contribute the extra 20-30% damage needed to MEET these checks, but choose not to ( when you are safely able, not at the expense of healing, obvs ) is it not also on you?

probably the same way the 0 HPS damage dealer crowd is hitting really aggressive HPS checks?

but for real: i am not totally against doing damage as a healer. it's my job to bring the party alive through the content, no matter what. and when i have to dps to reach that goal i will doing that dps.

what bothers me is staying 90% in cleric and only healing 10% of the time. and also there is a difference between doing dps while there is something to heal and doing dps while there is nothing to heal. i can agree a healer should not staying around doing nothing. but we are at a point where it is expected to doing dps, letting the tank drop to 20% and then using the emergency heals to prevent a wipe.

[Rennies]

probably the same way the 0 HPS damage dealer crowd is hitting really aggressive HPS checks?

but for real: i am not totally against doing damage as a healer. it's my job to bring the party alive through the content, no matter what. and when i have to dps to reach that goal i will doing that dps.

what bothers me is staying 90% in cleric and only healing 10% of the time. and also there is a difference between doing dps while there is something to heal and doing dps while there is nothing to heal. i can agree a healer should not staying around doing nothing. but we are at a point where it is expected to doing dps, letting the tank drop to 20% and then using the emergency heals to prevent a wipe.

Well, doing huge damage and then using the emergency heals (I'm assuming you mean Bene, ED, Lustrate) when the tank is low is the best way to play since it optimizes party DPS and limit break gauge building. It's also quite thrilling for the tank.

[Tsumes]

If healers weren't meant to provide DPS at all, they wouldn't have offensive spells

They also wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING outside of dungeons. How "open" minded of you.
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Let me get this straight. If the group isn't hitting DPS checks. If's the healer's fault. If the tank dies, it's the healers fault. If the party takes 30 seconds too long to complete. Again, it's the healer's fault. If the tank can't hold aggro. Once again, it has to be the healers fault. I'm 100% certain you people are 1000% full of yourselves. Please go have a seat. You're not doing anyone any good spreading your arbitrary hate for healers all over the place. If you're THAT concerned with Top dogging your way through dungeons. Take your own advice, stick to pre-mades composed of 7 DPS and a SMN. Sounds like your perfect group.

The way I see if, if healers were truly meant to "DPS". They'd have more then 3 damage skills, and cleric stance would not exist. Cross skills do not count. AST has a total of 4 damage skills, only 2 of which are worth half a pile of crap.

[Tsumes]

Healers have an extremely limited number of offensive skills that aren't cross class. On top of that, they have long spell cast times. What part of that screams "hey, I'm a DPS machine" to you? To me it looks like they intentionally did it that way in order to HINDER healers from DPSing. Just because they changed their mind halfway down the friggen line(hall of noobs or w/e it's called). Doesn't make it the end all be all right. The hindrances that keep a healer from effectively DPSing Are. Still. There.

Once those hindrances are removed. THEN we can have this discussion.

P.S. PvP doesn't have cleric stance. I wonder why.

[Rennies]

Oh my god, Assize in PvP sounds disgustingly strong. It already does nearly 50% more than a Stone III xD