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    Neptune's Avatar
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    Neptune Deepsea
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Travesty View Post
    I love how so many people think that just because something is optional, it has no effect on the people who don't choose that option. What world do you guys live in?

    Here's an example: If there was an optional NPC in the game that gave you every piece of gear that is currently made by crafters, you think that wouldn't hurt crafters?

    I played XI for 7 years. You still can't even come close to comparing what we have in XIV now, to anything in XI.
    Oh, so as you said it has an effect on a certain group of people, you. So in other words the game is broken for you and.. not for everyone? Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by feint2021 View Post
    Wow really? Do you remember a time when mobs only gave 80-100sp each and leves didn't give anything. Although it was a bit extreme it felt like getting rank 50 was rewarding. Each patch after that it has gotten easier and easier. So I fail to see this HARD path you speak of. Heck, even 8 man leve linking had more of a point (even though it was an exploit). And please don't say sh@t about someones integrity when you know nothing about the person.
    You may or may not be a person of integrity but I am pointing out the flaws in what integrity you have. The path of integrity, or hard path, would be taking part in activities that are the opposite of what you are trying to complain about on here. You could put all of your guildleves on 5 stars all the time, but did you? You could not look up videos of dungeons. You could level crafting off of local leves instead of finding one easy recipe to level off of. You could try to solo NMs for gear you want. You could get your linkshell to fight hard monsters in the fringe areas of the game for the fun of it. You may or may not have taken the hard route on any of those options, but my point is that the game is hard if you challenge yourself.. but you have no integrity since you demand that the dev team force your hand.

    With that stated.. I'm just trying to get you to see how your flawed integrity is going to try to appeal for changes that will make the game a worse game.

    And about getting rank 50.. don't you think it is rewarding to get a rank 50 no matter if you got PLed or not?
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    Travesty Eidolon
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
    Oh, so as you said it has an effect on a certain group of people, you. So in other words the game is broken for you and.. not for everyone? Interesting.
    Are you just dense? Is that what this is?

    Your argument was that "It's optional and therefore doesn't break the game." My reply was showing you exactly how ridiculous that is. That's like thinking that no matter what they introduce the fundamentals of the game can't be broken. It's an absurd postion to take.



    And about getting rank 50.. don't you think it is rewarding to get a rank 50 no matter if you got PLed or not?
    Of course not lol. What's rewarding about having someone else do all your sh*t for you? That's the definition of "not rewarding" for anyone who isn't the laziest idiot in the world.
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    Oren Ishii
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
    Oh, so as you said it has an effect on a certain group of people, you. So in other words the game is broken for you and.. not for everyone? Interesting.



    You may or may not be a person of integrity but I am pointing out the flaws in what integrity you have. The path of integrity, or hard path, would be taking part in activities that are the opposite of what you are trying to complain about on here. You could put all of your guildleves on 5 stars all the time, but did you? You could not look up videos of dungeons. You could level crafting off of local leves instead of finding one easy recipe to level off of. You could try to solo NMs for gear you want. You could get your linkshell to fight hard monsters in the fringe areas of the game for the fun of it. You may or may not have taken the hard route on any of those options, but my point is that the game is hard if you challenge yourself.. but you have no integrity since you demand that the dev team force your hand.

    With that stated.. I'm just trying to get you to see how your flawed integrity is going to try to appeal for changes that will make the game a worse game.

    And about getting rank 50.. don't you think it is rewarding to get a rank 50 no matter if you got PLed or not?
    I'd like to play a game that's made to be challenging. If not challenging then it should at least be engaging and fun. Sure we could go out and fight mobs 10 ranks higher for the challenge but then that wouldn't be very productive. But with your logic we don't have integrity even though the devs are serving us free ranks on a silver platter.

    My original point was that SE continues to make leveling easier and wondering why we even have to level when it's possible to do so with no effort.

    To answer your last question....No, it doesn't feel rewarding hitting 50 with ffxiv's way of having a plvl. Every other mmo I've played was more engaging with a plvl (except for being a healer in ffxi).
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