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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    That is where you start sliding down the slope that is known as "P2W". Plenty of people would happily spend their RL money to become filthy rich in-game, which would create havoc in all the markets.
    P2W only applies to something that advances people further in the game. Having a glamour advantage over others I honestly wouldn't consider it being that. The whole jump potion thing will be otw by 4.0 so there will be several threads on that when they arrive. Could that be p2w? If it is, I guess WoW is p2w since they've been selling level boosts for about 2-3 years now, yet since that game has quite a large player base than this one, it doesn't get that many complaints.

    What I will consider p2w in this game is the retainer selling, which should honestly be more focused on than this since it does more than provide people with space. You get more marketboard selling space and they can bring back some pretty pricey materials.
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    A Moogle costume. A better one than the 2014 Fan Fest one.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitingGenbu View Post
    P2W only applies to something that advances people further in the game. Having a glamour advantage over others I honestly wouldn't consider it being that. The whole jump potion thing will be otw by 4.0 so there will be several threads on that when they arrive. Could that be p2w? If it is, I guess WoW is p2w since they've been selling level boosts for about 2-3 years now, yet since that game has quite a large player base than this one, it doesn't get that many complaints.

    What I will consider p2w in this game is the retainer selling, which honestly be more focused on than this since it does more than provide people with space. You get more marketboard selling space and they can bring back some pretty pricey materials.
    I edited my original comment to acknowledge that the actual gain would be minimal in this game, but it would still exist (probably just missed since they were posted around the same time).

    One example, If I suddenly had $50M gil to my name, I could become the master crafter I've always wanted to be, max out all my gear, craft anything and everything and squeeze out all the other crafters. The initial gil spent on all of this would be negligible as I could just go sell some more items from the CS to pad my bank.

    Another example would be that more people would suddenly have spare gil to spend on hording more houses, if they so desired

    I'm sure there are some other examples to be had that others may think of.

    Again, the advantages in this game are definitely far less extreme than you'd find elsewhere, but they are there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitingGenbu View Post
    P2W only applies to something that advances people further in the game. Having a glamour advantage over others I honestly wouldn't consider it being that. The whole jump potion thing will be otw by 4.0 so there will be several threads on that when they arrive. Could that be p2w? If it is, I guess WoW is p2w since they've been selling level boosts for about 2-3 years now, yet since that game has quite a large player base than this one, it doesn't get that many complaints.

    What I will consider p2w in this game is the retainer selling, which should honestly be more focused on than this since it does more than provide people with space. You get more marketboard selling space and they can bring back some pretty pricey materials.
    Buy CS item > Sell on MB > Use money to buy clear/runs > Get dropped gear > P2W

    Edit ::

    On topic, I would love Terra's outfit. Gold Saucer, Mogstation, both, Vet reward... I would do things I wouldn't be proud of for that. My popoto needs this.
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    Last edited by Zigabar; 07-30-2016 at 03:14 AM. Reason: To stay on topic, oops.
    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriKitae View Post
    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

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    Lol, why am I not surprised this topic has degenerated into an argument over vanity costing money...
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    I probably would like to see some of the Garlean character's armor for galmour.

    On another topic:
    Methods of free access to these type of cosmetic stuff seems to end up a bit extreme everytime SE decides to make them ingame only.
    -MGP prices are usually either in 100,000 or more for full set.

    - Achievement rewards only is hitting the 100 or more to obtain based on how hard or easy it is with the harder tasks one being near 100 and the easier being near 1000 or higher.

    - crafting is just a means for people to get richer as the moment it is released people just buy up all the mats required for cheap and resell it for a higher prices since it is required for the new Galmour. The Price never dies down until the Glamour is old enough the mats are just too easy and high in supply and usually after 2 updates or so before price drops.

    - Events is limited time for the item to be free but in the end it goes into the cash shop anyways.

    In the end any free method is just a Massive Grind fest people will jsut complain about or a "you must be this rich with ingame currency" to afford it in game which people will complain about only the Rich can afford it.

    - hitting it into Subscription rewards is probably far worse than even Cash shop suggestion because this "free" path only benefits players who started playing the game back in 2013 and anyone how did not start in 2013/2014 with their Subscription will have to wait a extra year or more just to get it. Thus forcing the player to "subscribe" longer just for some cosmetic stuff when earlier subscription players get is a year or more earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Buy CS item > Sell on MB > Use money to buy clear/runs > Get dropped gear > P2W
    It's not p2w if it doesn't come directly from shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakuraluna View Post
    I don't mind asking for the Chinese/Korean regional exclusives, outfits worn by npc's in this game, or old event items to be added to the cash shop, because there's already been a pattern established for those things being added to the cash shop, but why do so many want to suggest that for any little thing that could be added to the game through an event or the gold saucer instead? I don't want to have to buy the outfits of my favorite non-XIV final fantasy characters off the cash shop any time a new one is released. I'd like to be able to get those things by playing the game.
    Because events cost resources. They have to write a script, make new character models and the reward itself, all for nothing. Do you want a 15 minute forgettable event like Lightning or something longer and/or better down the road? As for the gold saucer... I would much rather pay real money than grind MPG for months on end ala Fenrir. That's just me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizyy View Post
    It's not p2w if it doesn't come directly from shop.
    Now you're playing with semantics. Indirect, maybe, but a perfectly legal P2W process.
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    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriKitae View Post
    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizyy View Post
    It's not p2w if it doesn't come directly from shop.
    This is just semantics at this point. If someone can spend $100 on the CS and turn it into in-game currency, that is P2W IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zigabar View Post
    Now you're playing with semantics. Indirect, maybe, but a perfectly legal P2W process.
    lol, guess we had the same thought. Didn't see this until after mine posted :X
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