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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindiori View Post
    That's how business and democracy works. Use it.
    Not really.

    - Business works when offer can meet demand, resulting in a deal. There is obviously a demand for cash shop items. SE is making business from it.

    - Democracy works when, for instance, everybody is able to give his opinion without insulting others. You gave yours about cash-shop supporters being a " lazy, self entitled and free hand-out centric crowd ", and this sounds just pejorative to me.

    The fact that you cant afford these items (being broke is your problem) doesnt really allow you to judge others.

    Also these mounts are just extras. Cant buy them? Dont buy them.

    If one day we see relics / raid weapons / raid tokens / MSQ or jobs progression available in the cash shop then yes this would suck and this would be an issue.

    But Yoshi is far from doing this. He's just putting fan-service items in the CS. Seems fair to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich View Post
    The fact that you cant afford these items (being broke is your problem) doesnt really allow you to judge others.
    Why do people always use this as a argument as why cash shop shouldn't be done away with? You are more insulting then the person you are replying to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    Why do people always use this as a argument as why cash shop shouldn't be done away with? You are more insulting then the person you are replying to.
    Because in some cases people CAN'T afford those items. You, nor I, know what the exact financial situation is that every player is in. Now, just because someone may be facing difficulties doesn't mean you or I shouldn't purchase things, we have the funds and are free to use them as we see fit. However, the things in the cash shop are overall, much more priced then they should be, pure and simple. Take the two seat mog mount, why, in all honesty, is that mount worth 2 monthly payments? We have mog beast tribes, why not make a beast tribe unification quest, like with 2.0, and give the mount as the reward? And before you state that Bennu was 24? (too lazy to price check) and people still purchased it, that should have also been a mount given away from T12, as should have Twin, Selphinr, and both the colored Mag mounts.

    It doesn't take any more work to make these mounts as rewards for quest completion, most of those mounts would have been obtained by the a very large sum of community members, save for new players, by now anyway. Clothing is the same way, want to look like Aymeric? Lucia? Complete Final Steps. Want to have a ghost outfit? Make a quest that deals with going through Tam Tara HM and fighting a special boss. Mounts, clothing, and dyes shouldn't be put into a purchase only setting, they should promote content, content promotion is never a bad thing at all and generally makes people happy to do things as long as it is something of value. Now if SE wants to put additional account services on payment, by all means, anything like Fantasia, server changes, and name changes, all make sense to have an additional fee, doesn't mean they can't have special events where you win said service, but those items aren't something that should be given out for playing content.
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    Last edited by Jetstream_Fox; 07-30-2016 at 02:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Because in some cases people CAN'T afford those items. You, nor I, know what the exact financial situation is that every player is in. Now, just because someone may be facing difficulties doesn't mean you or I shouldn't purchase things, we have the funds and are free to use them as we see fit. However, the things in the cash shop are overall, much more priced then they should be, pure and simple. Take the two seat mog mount, why, in all honesty, is that mount worth 2 monthly payments? We have mog beast tribes
    While this is true, lot of people just assume the person is too poor to buy it. Not that person thinks it over priced or person thinks it should be added to the game. Nope they are just too poor to buy it, which is why I said it insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox View Post
    Because in some cases people CAN'T afford those items. You, nor I, know what the exact financial situation is that every player is in. Now, just because someone may be facing difficulties doesn't mean you or I shouldn't purchase things, we have the funds and are free to use them as we see fit. However, the things in the cash shop are overall, much more priced then they should be, pure and simple. Take the two seat mog mount, why, in all honesty, is that mount worth 2 monthly payments? We have mog beast tribes
    The issue is that Ultear used this as grounds to try and discredit someone's comment, when nothing about pricing (in that regard) was even mentioned. "Don't badmouth the CS just because you can't afford it!" has nothing to do with what was actually commented. I am always amazed that people can be so inept at sticking to what was actually said and with their ability to make fair arguments. Sure, we all get caught up from time to time, but at least try and curb the amount of crazy you toss at someone.
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 07-30-2016 at 02:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich View Post
    Not really.

    - Business works when offer can meet demand, resulting in a deal. There is obviously a demand for cash shop items. SE is making business from it.

    - Democracy works when, for instance, everybody is able to give his opinion without insulting others. You gave yours about cash-shop supporters being a " lazy, self entitled and free hand-out centric crowd ", and this sounds just pejorative to me.

    The fact that you cant afford these items (being broke is your problem) doesnt really allow you to judge others.
    Aren't you doing the same thing by assuming all people against CS are poor? lol

    edit: I'm all for items being in CS and available in game at the same time (or later) as others have said.
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    Last edited by Lithe; 07-30-2016 at 11:23 AM.

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