I guess it's time

[Iromi]

So the effective solution that the majority has been clamouring for here is to add Notorious Monsters from FFXI, and make them drop an RNG based weapon. Which is just more grinding or more work. At worst, you'd have people camping it and creating a toxic environment like they did in XI. At best, everyone gets credit and the new endgame is standing around in the woods until X monster pops and killing it. What a diverse endgame content solution you have, pure genius. These ideas suck.

Uh, first off this game is way more toxic then FFXI ever was. My FC has been threatened to be beat up at fanfest (lol) I see horror stories CONSTANTLY with screen shots on FB groups, there is a thread here dedicated to horror DF stories..so again..wat? I've never seen so many people posting screenshots of their horrible experiences and venting as I have for this game.

In FFXI sure there was fighting over NM..but those were NM that spawned from lottery. I've seen people ask for FORCE POP NM..like yanno, fraction leves in 1.x? Only your party can fight it and touch the mob and decide when to pop it...I fail to see how that would create a toxic environment? And this is coming from me, possibly the most bullied person on FFXI due to 1 single cosplay picture I uploaded. Nope, I am having a way worse experience with toxicity in XIV then I EVER did in XI.

And nah, fighting NM's like fraction leves (Where you just pick up a leve with a very difficult NM for your FC..or rather LS back then) is not "standing in the woods" lol.

Shoot, even if you went into diadem and could do that that would stir things up. Again though, like my other post where you claimed I totally unsubbed..nice try lol.

[zosia]

Uh, first off this game is way more toxic then FFXI ever was. My FC has been threatened to be beat up at fanfest (lol) I see horror stories CONSTANTLY with screen shots on FB groups, there is a thread here dedicated to horror DF stories..so again..wat? I've never seen so many people posting screenshots of their horrible experiences and venting as I have for this game.
In FFXI sure there was fighting over NM..but those were NM that spawned from lottery. I've seen people ask for FORCE POP NM..like yanno, fraction leves in 1.x? Only your party can fight it and touch the mob and decide when to pop it...I fail to see how that would create a toxic environment?

Shoot, even if you went into diadem and could do that that would stir things up. Again though, like my other post where you claimed I totally unsubbed..nice try lol.

If anything, ffXI endgame has like an unofficial code of conduct. I remember an endgame HMN LS falling apart after they stole a tag one night. There was a stronger sense of honor amongst the end game LS for 11 than I see among the end game FCs of 14.

I think you are right. I think FFXIV is far more toxic in so many regards that 11 ever was, and ff11 had some pretty toxic moments.

[Iromi]

If anything, ffXI endgame has like an unofficial code of conduct. I remember an endgame HMN LS falling apart after they stole a tag one night. There was a stronger sense of honor amongst the end game LS for 11 than I see among the end game FCs of 14.

I think you are right. I think FFXIV is far more toxic in so many regards that 11 ever was, and ff11 had some pretty toxic moments.

Yup, both have their fair share but I must say..due to the nature of the DF and the outcome of never seeing people again, people have just become more toxic..after all, what do they care, there is no consequence really. Maybe a slap on the wrist suspension if you name call? If you did anything bad in XI you were banned forever LOL Good ol LM-17.

But yeah as you say..in FFXI, reputation held much more merit and while there was jerks and so forth they did not get away with acting that way..they would be quickly ousted from the community by most people. You can't do that in XIV because there really is no sense of community ^^;