I guess it's time

[Iromi]

Wow, aren't Hyperion and Sargatanas Legacy servers?

By the way, all servers on Aether are currently accepting new characters, except Balmung and Greg ofc.

yeap! both are legacy heh...I've seen others post their servers housing menus with 0 houses bought lol...

I dunno about the forums representing a small portion of the game. Yea its true that not everyone posts here, but I can tell you for damn sure there is a TON of people and players who are unhappy with the end game right now in the same ways mentioned in this thread. I've come across so many strangers who bring it up themselves, and low and behold..we have something in common lol.

[MagiusNecros]

Whenever I debate with people in my FC who are actually "Final Fantasy" fans we give the game so much venom like you wouldn't believe ha ha. Occasionally we would always go off on what the Dark Knight was turned into. Or what we saw as the splicing of the Black Mage's spell list.

I miss those like-minded discussions. We do love to play this game but we also judge it as not only longtime FF fans but also take into account FF's roots from DnD. That's Dungeons and Dragons.

But the activity on Diabolos is pretty much the same. Very rare do you see over 10 parties looking to do stuff. I would like to see over 20 going on. I think servers/rooms on MH3U and MH4U were more active.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Fabrico, Iromi, Beetle, Magius: That is usually the result when you have almost the entire game on a very easy difficulty.

Casuals should not always be compared with the casuals that seem to be raging teenager wow players. It seems that the majority of FFXIV playerbase is still adults because of the envoirment. To me this is a good way and is still a chance of hope.

A party finder would not be so empty if people havent done all content. Its not even about Rushing anything do stuff daily and eventually you will run out of things to do due to how the core of the game actually is.

I have no idea when a change is going to happen or if its going to happen. I'm playing FFXIV because of my friends and that its a final fantasy envoirment I'm not playing this because its some sort of amazing game.

Like you guys I seem to spend most of my time chatting or afking because I've run out of things to do aside from thinking bashing your head to a wall for nidhogg extreme or savage for items that are useless by november is a good formula of gaming?

Let's not forget how the relic continues to be an unrewarding disaster that will just be a disappointment to everyone who spent countless runs for the HW story dungeon farming wich will be nerfed.

The feeling of stuff beeing nerfed or echo beeing presented will always be something on the back mind of players. It causes lazyness. Remember when I said you can always catch up? It is a good thing that you can always catch up but alot of things should still remain sacred and untouched and be hard to obtain so it makes your time invested be worthwhile.

Whats the point of doing all these HW dungeon runs for the relic when a few weeks or months later the cost ont he items will just be nerfed? It only teaches that player one who doesnt have it can have the same item as player two eventually and actually if player one invests as much time as player two he would have the same stuff for putting less effort in.

How is that gaming mentality fair to the current players? That part I do not know. How can the customer who loves the brand/product the most be the one that continues getting the short end of the stick?

The satisfaction of beeing "first" does not give anything. Surely some sort of competition would do this game good wouldn't it?

I have not done savage at all but guess what? I'm ok with that. I'm ok with not beeing good enough to do certain things BUT I know the content is there for me waiting should I want to give it a try thats the part players don't get.

Its always crying for a nerf when some things should just remain untouched.

I would not be surprised if these Experience Points Potions from the cash shop will be put in motion.

I would not be surprised if 4.0 Expansions offers a new player instant level 60.

Only way we can stop this is if we unite speak up and say this is not what we want out of FFXIV.

[MagiusNecros]

Problem is though. They only gave JP speakers the fax machine if you will.

I did the HW relic for DRK but to me....+1 Weapon damage and on average a +6 to your selected stats and main stats from the Hyper weapon IMO is not worth a 1-2 month grindfest investment. Judging from the 2.0 relic it eventually became obsolete and had no unique weapon ability to set it apart from any other weapon. So a "impressive looking weapon but nothing more". Especially when in later patchs they essentially hand you a weapon equally as powerful at a much cheaper cost of investment.

Which at this point I have to wonder if any new steps are added if I should even bother.

As for Savage I won't do it. Harder versions of fights you already have done with essential "do this much damage within this time limit" parses just isn't my thing.

I'll check out Deep Dungeon...but right now I'm just going to enjoy this GW2 ride I've been having. A bunch of design decisions just say "yes" to me. It's gonna be hard to come back to XIV after seeing how GW2 handles level syncing. One allows you to use all your skills....anywhere. And another is oh no them skills too hard to balance lock em out pronto.

I guess the one thing XIV does have over GW2 is an actual Aggro management system.

I do feel the lack of party finding groups is mostly because duty finder is pretty much the bonafide buy out option where you don't really need to form actual parties and communicate. It's more "hope for the best".

This thread should be locked cause it brings NOTHING positive or rewarding to the community or the game

I disagree. I find most content unrewarding and mostly rides it's way on smoke, mirrors, and spectacle. That said the most rewarding thing to come out of this topic is knowing that there are those who share my sentiments. "Preaching to the choir" I suppose.

At the very least we can all agree on disagreeing and all disagree on agreeing.

[Mature]

Are we still at it with this thread? We now entered into a game comparisons.....

Like I said

Is it really worth paying a monthly fee for not doing much? when the game PROVIDES you with a lot of content. Because it is clear people only do bits and bats and don't actually bother with the rest cause they find it boring and not for their liking. (It's like buying a brand new game and rushing thru it without getting the extra bits)

If this game is not for you or had its time for you MOVE ON and play something else. This thread should be locked cause it brings NOTHING positive or rewarding to the community or the game but silly arguments and childish attitudes. The thread has lot the plot

[FallenArisen0990]

Positive Input

Yep yep, so true.

silly arguments and childish attitudes.

Real Mature there sonny.

[Velhart]

Yep yep, so true.




Real Mature there sonny.

As always, a well thought out and meaningful response from you giving very detailed arguments to illustrate the point you are trying to convey.

I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

I'm having a right good fun right now in the game and I cannot get my head around people saying :"theres nothing to do I'm bored dead game patch 264829 will save the game etc etc etc" I wonder what they want or what they do in this game? Level 1 class to 60 and wait until next patch?

And example, after work I'm gonna play the MB then do more hunts to get all my main to 240 , after that Ill get my second main to 240. Craft while waiting chat with people do some Nidex while I'm at it. Do some gathering ,help people to clear old stuff . So I'm looking forward going home and play the game

I ask you again, is it really worth paying a month fee for doing....not much? Where THERE IS stuff to do? I think this game is not for everyone but for the dedicated ones and with enough spare time. I'm gonna leave it here cause people are playing the wrong game. If you fed up and bored of it and Yoship and team are not listening , I think is time for some to go and play something else. We don't need toxic attitude we got enough of that in game

The problem I see mostly with people in here is they think some revamp is going to happen within a patch of expansion when they have no idea how development works or what resources they have to pull out to make the entire game's fundamentals change. Nor do they take in the fact despite even if they have a good idea or something that may help, it isn't simply the snap of a finger. Nor do they take into fact that what they do is controversial at best and has a potential to lose a ton a subs because the game changes so drastic. They think what is best for them, not what is good for the overall balance of the game.

Ideas that bring QoL improvements to the current systems or new game concepts that can work in the context of the game's setup. I am 100% for. But things that make absolutely no sense unless you revamp the game again is just unrealistic and asinine unless the developers can think of a way to work it in, even then it gets changed to meet the backbone of FFXIV's structure.

People in here are going to complain till the game becomes FFXI-2. Even then they will still complain going "its not the same!" or "why copying FFXI so much? Be your own thing, 14!", because you can't make people happy no matter what. They are even going to come after me for making this with the usual arguments that make no sense, usually leading to "It will work because I say it will work." without giving any real argument or data showing why it works. When most in here including myself point out the history of said systems not working or balancing properly. They will swear it works because "they say so."

Anyways, here we go:

[FallenArisen0990]

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Aww that's cute. Do you feel better now?

Edit: There was a picture that either Patch 3.2 or 3.3 was suppose to be a giant QoL patch. Been trying to find it for the longest. Wasn't surprised they changed their minds after that.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Mature:
Or you could see it openly that the game is not perfect and not everything SE feeds you is accepted. White knighting a thread won't solve any problems. This thread brings positivity and is shedding light on certain things that seems to be a problem.
Players (SE customers) are discussing and debating here because they want to contribute and voice their opinion to help the game improve on what they think is wrong.
If the game was so perfect as you claim it to be these discussions would not be here.
If you can't see that everyone here typing actually cares about the game and love SE and the FF franchise by debating these things then I don't know what to say.
The random casual is currently running out of content because there is not enough content provided.
You seem to think that you should intentionally start levling other jobs in this game because that counts as something to do? It shouldnt, the game should keep you occupied to continue playing your current job and never give you the feeling of now you have nothing to do so it bores you out.
Weekly capps prevents you from playing the game as much as you like because you cant even persue your goal without feeling limited.
Maps are currently empty with not world content cause we spend our life in duty finder.
If even the casual joe is starting to feel burned out with nothing to do then you are the one refusing to see the problem.
Current state of the game does burn you out with a feeling of whatever you acheive is useless eventually killing the actual feeling of making levels items and progress feeling rewarding.
Again people writing in this thread care about SE and the FFXIV product or else they wouldnt be here and leave without saying a word.

[Mature]

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I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

I'm having a right good fun right now in the game and I cannot get my head around people saying :"theres nothing to do I'm bored dead game patch 264829 will save the game etc etc etc" I wonder what they want or what they do in this game? Level 1 class to 60 and wait until next patch?

And example, after work I'm gonna play the MB then do more hunts to get all my main to 240 , after that Ill get my second main to 240. Craft while waiting chat with people do some Nidex while I'm at it. Do some gathering ,help people to clear old stuff . So I'm looking forward going home and play the game

I ask you again, is it really worth paying a month fee for doing....not much? Where THERE IS stuff to do? I think this game is not for everyone but for the dedicated ones and with enough spare time. I'm gonna leave it here cause people are playing the wrong game. If you fed up and bored of it and Yoship and team are not listening , I think is time for some to go and play something else. We don't need toxic attitude we got enough of that in game