Alienation of Dedicated and Skilled players

[Underdog2204]

Huuuh....I wonder where people are getting the idea you had to quit your social life and job just to make progress in another game. Was this a jab at XI? It had to have been. Was this your personal experience talking or just something you're parroting? No one had to put that much time in one sitting. Much like you guys keep telling US to do. Play in different sessions. So you don't feel "burnt out". That's how it works, right? To me, I consider XI just being that much more immersive that you forget where the time has gone. But to each their own, yes?

You're right. I want everything changed to suit me. This game should be centered and catered around what I want! /sarcasm
I'm giving you guys more credit than you want to believe in being able to adapt. I'm not even asking for an overhaul to anything. So I don't get why you get off on saying X time required to catch up needs to change to suit me. But whatever helps you paint yourself the good guy, I guess.

I get it. You don't care much for depth at all. That's fine. Some people do. Some people don't. The topic is just asking for more to work with. Some depth!

And while you may not want the newbies to go through the content to catch up, others don't agree with that sentiment. How do I know? Well those leveling potions seem to share a great view of people's standpoint. But shouldn't we implement those so the game can be casual? Everyone should be on equal footing right? Why learn how to play a game? Why challenge yourself to be better? Why do any of this?

The value of hard work seems to matter very little these days.

It just goes right over your head huh? It's not me who's asking to overhaul the way things are (and is why the game is sucessful) and change it to something it never was.

Not a jab at FFXI per say more like basic experience that can be applied to every single MMO you are saying this one should emulate... Since you yourself applied it to FFXI you can consider it relevent to the argument.

No it doesn't in virtual games because it always amounts to nothing and it's not me who has been unable to adapt to the changing game market. You are stuck a decade ago it seems.

I think based off of how wiping city feedback has been, people are ready for more depth and content that has more teeth than what exists now. The real world does not work in slippery slopes like you present. Incorporating some of those suggestions does not mean that you will have to quit your job or give up your family to progress in the end game. Stop being hyperbolic, not everyone wants to play the final fantasy rendition of club penguin.

Oh so changing gear and having weapon grinds stay the way they are constantly (because they are "relevent" all the time), having to get multiple amounts of armour and weapons to suit different senarios etc isn't going to force people to gind all this stuff out? Yeah I see how that makes sense /s.

You are using a strawman and zero idea my preference in regards to difficulty. Boss difficulty and forced grind is not even remotly the same thing if anyone is being hyperbolic it is yourself - "not everyone wants to play the final fantasy edition of club penguin"... Really -_-

I know this wasn't to me, but I have to respond to that. I do savage content, what does players like yourself call me? Hardcore. Why? because I do savage. I work 8-12 hours from 4-6 times a week, including hanging out almost everyday after work with my friends and then gym for 2 hours which is 5 times a week. And I still manage to get my shit done. You see this isn't all about catch up either, the catch up itself is easy phase and once it's done (which takes almost no time) there is nothing to do. What Lori wants is content that you can do when you log on and still have things to do, instead of playing catch up day and night. Lets face it catch up patches are for the majority right? Then once they catched up there is nothing to do, again. I find it funny I have more life and do more things than most people and still can pull things off easier and faster than most. I need some one to explain that to me, that be great

Yes that's fine I don't really care what you call yourself tbh.

Ok so now add ontop of that having to get multiple armour sets for the content you are doing at the moment and holding onto them forever incase they "are relevent". Now got get 5 different weapons, 10 different rings etc. Then take a break come back and see how easy it is to catch up to do that content again.

And this is just for one of the jobs you might enjoy playing.

Anyways, to reply to your points. Yeah, people have been asking for more horizontal progression for ages. Gear sets, special effects, different stats, etc. Just because YOU don't want it does not mean I good portion of players do. Just do a quick forum search and get yourself some facts n data served up straight from the source. People have been creating threads since 2.0 asking about horizontal progression.

Yes they have and they still don't have it.

Is the game dead yet like they said it would be? Seems ok to me.

So it seems that "good portion of people" what to force their horizonal progression onto the larger community that didn't buy into that.